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Re: Florence Foster Jenkins the Movie
Sam S #2563206 08/14/16 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam S

It all depends on how you tell the story and how deep you go into the details.



I was thinking of this. Is there no recording of Florence singing well at all???

I don't know that other person, but my general idea is that being famous nowadays is not for everybody (probably never was). I for sure wouldn't want to be famous at all.

Edit: I don't know much of Opera. I just like the singer or not, and I guess mostly I like the piece more or like it less. I don't know if there is really a Fixed Canon in Opera that can say some sing well and others don't. I am used to Pop/Jazz/etc singers and there it doesn't really always matter how good singers they are; the important thing is just "I like him/her" or even better "I like that song". There are some very very famous singers that I don't like at all, and can see others consider they sing very well. There are also some who sing very well in my opinion, and they receive lots of criticism (this happens a lot with young popular singers).

What I mostly mean is that I think the Singing world is a bit of a crazy world in itself. smile

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Re: Florence Foster Jenkins the Movie
PianogrlNW #2563208 08/14/16 06:59 PM
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It seems there is no good recording of hers. smile

I am reading more about her. First, it seems there was only ONE public recital, and she was already 76! I've read the name of another good famous Soprano of that time there, and we need imagination to appreciate it since the recording quality makes it impossible to say it sounds good (Frieda Hempel): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5KIbkpKmj0

Wikipedia where it says she gave one concert:

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In spite of public demand, Jenkins restricted her performances to clubs and an annual October recital in the Grand Ballroom of the Ritz-Carlton Hotel. Attendance was limited to her loyal clubwomen and a select few others; she handled distribution of the coveted tickets herself, carefully excluding professional critics. At the age of 76 she finally relented and booked Carnegie Hall for a public performance, which took place on October 25, 1944.[15] Tickets for the event sold out weeks in advance;


And she died a month later... The Opera world could respect her a bit because she founded a club and used some of her money on her passion.

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I remember hearing her recording when I was a student in college, 1966 - 1970. Like the immature teenagers we were, we all thought it was extremely funny. Now at age 68, I have much more sympathy for her. My wife and I both want to see the movie. Meryl Streep is always amazing.

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Originally Posted by Albunea
I was thinking of this. Is there no recording of Florence singing well at all???


Has anyone tried fixing her voice in post, autotune and such....?



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I saw this tonight.

I was prepared to not like her. But she was portrayed as warm and likeable, and spunky and generous. I was prepared to not like her husband, as a hanger-on who should have stopped her (or tried to). But in spite of the portrayal of him living off her wealth, he seemed to genuinely care for her, and I liked him, too. In spite of the laughs at the singing, I found it a sad and moving story.

As always, Meryl Streep was great but the piano player just stole the show.


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PianogrlNW #2565517 08/23/16 11:13 PM
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Here's an interesting documentary on the life of Foster Jenkins.......

https://youtu.be/UVcatZDdaIY

And another (shorter) piece recently shown on TV more closely tied to the film...

https://youtu.be/dDbdKjwIEnU




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I enjoyed watching the YouTube bio on Florence Foster Jenkins. Learned what made Florence, Florence. She loved music and singing, but sadly music and singing did not love her.

Loved the movie - Meryl Streep, Hugh Grant and the actor who played for Florence all should be nominated for an Oscar.

Thanks for posting.

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Originally Posted by musdan
I enjoyed watching the YouTube bio on Florence Foster Jenkins. Learned what made Florence, Florence. She loved music and singing, but sadly music and singing did not love her.

Loved the movie - Meryl Streep, Hugh Grant and the actor who played for Florence all should be nominated for an Oscar.

Thanks for posting.


Glad you enjoyed them. I did as well - and I look forward to seeing the film. I've been aware of FFJ's recordings for 50 years - but had absolutely no knowledge of the story behind them until now.




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Originally Posted by jotur


Merryl Streep apparently can actually sing, and according to a friend of mine she even once trained operatically, and had to have a coach to learn to sing off-key.


It is actually super-easy to sing off key. Any honest singer will admit that--don't trust anyone who says they can't do it! smile I haven't seen the movie yet, but I saw an interview with Meryl Streep in which she hinted at this. She had to train with a coach to learn the crazy-difficult arias that Jenkins performed, but for singing off-key, you can just let go of proper support and awful things will happen by themselves. smile

BTW I don't claim to know a lot about this, not having seen the film, but I'm inclined to Albunea's view, that those old recordings may not tell the whole story. It's hard for me to believe that Jenkins didn't have some musical value to offer all those enthusiastic audiences--especially since we know she had early musical talent, had many supporters among people you'd expect to have some judgment, and was not hit by scathing public criticism till that Carnegie concert at age 76. (I sure hope I'm still singing when I'm 76--no Carnegie ambitions, though! smile )

Anyway, my friends say the movie is really funny!


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Did see the movie, and really liked it not just for itself, but also for the lively debate we engaged in after seeing it:

At the big concert, were people applauding her enthusiastically because they thought she was a comedy act? Is there value in supporting a kind of "A for effort" experience? What about the fact that she gave so much money for the arts in general and supported the artist community financially and with her social standing? At what point is it right to tell someone you care about, if ever, that they just don't have what it takes for the big time? What if we didn't like her character as a person, would that change anything? Is it ethical to allow sales of tickets to a show where people would have assumed they were to be hearing a truly good performer? And what about the ethics of buying off the media to provide positive reviews - harmless or morally bankrupt?

On a more tragic level, I saw that the movie also pointed to the sheer helplessness and victimization of women married young (the movie said at 18) who then contracted life threatening STDs from philandering husbands and had their whole lives ruined.

I rarely go out to see movies nowadays, but really enjoyed this one on many levels.

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