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Re: What abuse of a fine piano... [Re: Ed McMorrow, RPT] #2563114
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Originally Posted by Ed McMorrow, RPT
Thanks Ben_NZ
Tone of the Steinway is better than Ritmuller but the tuning is a little worse.


I agree. There is more fundamental under the Steinway's sound. The tuning, or lack thereof, doesn't bother me for this genre of music. I have already admitted my bias, I grew up with pianos in a lot looser state of tuning than is the normal these days, and whereas I want to hear that Debussy clear as bells, a honking unison in a boogie number doesn't take my mind off the music. ( A click track does, though).
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Re: What abuse of a fine piano... [Re: phantomFive] #2563117
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Originally Posted by phantomFive
Is it possible to have the blues when you are playing on a Steinway you own?

This philosophical question reminds me of a hilarious line in a horrible movie I saw years ago. I forget the title, but Ralph Machio (sp?) plays a Julliard student whose true passion is the blues. He discovers that a famous blues player lives in a nearby nursing home and goes to visit. The old man explains that you don't learn the blues so much as live them, and remains dubious while the kid insists that he's a "blues man."

When the kid tells him that he lives in the dorm at the Julliard, the old man howls: "times is hard!"


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Re: What abuse of a fine piano... [Re: Retsacnal] #2563156
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Originally Posted by Retsacnal
Originally Posted by phantomFive
Is it possible to have the blues when you are playing on a Steinway you own?

This philosophical question reminds me of a hilarious line in a horrible movie I saw years ago. I forget the title, but Ralph Machio (sp?) plays a Julliard student whose true passion is the blues. He discovers that a famous blues player lives in a nearby nursing home and goes to visit. The old man explains that you don't learn the blues so much as live them, and remains dubious while the kid insists that he's a "blues man."

When the kid tells him that he lives in the dorm at the Julliard, the old man howls: "times is hard!"


Aww, come on "Crossroads" aint so bad! And the guitar duel at the end is epic!

Re: What abuse of a fine piano... [Re: Norbert] #2563179
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Originally Posted by Norbert
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Only hoping to get, like her, 69,000 clicks on my own videos.

You could try dying your hair blonde.

Re: What abuse of a fine piano... [Re: Greener] #2563184
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How does Norbert look in a short, tight skirt?


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Re: What abuse of a fine piano... [Re: phantomFive] #2563204
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Originally Posted by phantomFive
Is it possible to have the blues when you are playing on a Steinway you own?


Well....perhaps, but it seems a fair bet that it won't be the 'Wish I'd bought a Ritmuller blues'

Re: What abuse of a fine piano... [Re: Norbert] #2563390
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A more fitting piano for boogie woogie, IMHO:
[video:youtube]ET3n09AfY68[/video]


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Re: What abuse of a fine piano... [Re: Norbert] #2563396
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Well, I just watched the video Norbert posted and must say, this is my kind of music all the way around! smile

A steady left hand pattern with some alternating boogie/blues patterns in the right hand.

The piano sounded okay, but not head and shoulders better than my pianos at home.

As far as abuse, Norbert had to have been joking. Otherwise, he's just plain wrong. smile

A lovely lady, a lovely piano, and some lovely boogie-woogie... what a combination. thumb

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Re: What abuse of a fine piano... [Re: phantomFive] #2563460
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Originally Posted by phantomFive
Is it possible to have the blues when you are playing on a Steinway you own?


Indeed it is. We had a lengthy thread a while back in which the OP eventually got the dealer to take one back. The issue was ridges in the soundboard.



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Re: What abuse of a fine piano... [Re: Norbert] #2563468
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What am I missing here? Is she playing it just a little bit too fast? I have this feeling that if I could slow it down just a tad, I'd enjoy it more. Seems like it takes a few micro seconds longer to each note to feel a sense of musicality.


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Re: What abuse of a fine piano... [Re: Tuneless] #2563476
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Originally Posted by Tuneless
What am I missing here? Is she playing it just a little bit too fast? I have this feeling that if I could slow it down just a tad, I'd enjoy it more. Seems like it takes a few micro seconds longer to each note to feel a sense of musicality.


Wow! You put into words exactly the same feeling I had. I just couldn't put my finger on what was bothering me about the performance. Thanks!


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Re: What abuse of a fine piano... [Re: Norbert] #2563503
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While interesting discussion, not sure artists care that much about what piano they play on.
What is important to them and actually counts more is production and marketing.
Make of piano is not that often a major consideration.
Here on this one, she gets at least the most clicks on YouTube, whatever ....dorf piano this might be.
Guessing Czech made...
Hard to read with all the distractions.. wink
P.S. IMHO super nice sounding piano, sorry no Steinway or other piano 6X the price smirk
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Re: What abuse of a fine piano... [Re: SoundThumb] #2563578
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Originally Posted by SoundThumb
Originally Posted by Tuneless
What am I missing here? Is she playing it just a little bit too fast? I have this feeling that if I could slow it down just a tad, I'd enjoy it more. Seems like it takes a few micro seconds longer to each note to feel a sense of musicality.


Wow! You put into words exactly the same feeling I had. I just couldn't put my finger on what was bothering me about the performance. Thanks!


Yes, she played it like it was a Czerny or Hanon exercise.

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It doesn't matter what sort of piano you use to play Boogie Woogie - tone is irrelevant, you can play boogie on any piano. What matters is that you swing it just right.

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This is the kind-of subject that I should avoid weighing into or, indeed, expressing any opinion whatever !

It's true that despite the great physical beauty of the lady pianist, the playing is just a lot of unrelieved pounding and/or thumping. BUT - IF I were to say that, I'd risk offending our Rickster, something that I don't wish to do, quite the contrary.

And, by the way I have to agree with Ed McMorrow, the piano tone is NOT rewarding in any sense.

NOW - having offended all and sundry, I'd like to mention within earshot of the Rickster, that I was watching on old movie on Turner Classics and heard Jose Iturbi play his little boogie-woogie piece for some children and enjoyed it immensely, especially as played on a vintage Baldwin concert grand. Although his reputation faded amongst high-brows, I always thought that his many virtues were impossible to hide, whether it was b-w or Liszt. His Mozart playing was utterly elegant AND dramatic, an artistic Scylla and Charybdis not easily plotted.

Do let's all have as much fun as possible, and whenever possible, with whatever time God allows us at our pianos.

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Boogie Woogie is dance music. When played above a dance tempo it becomes sort of like Chopin Waltzes. You recognize the form but you don't move your feet.



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Re: What abuse of a fine piano... [Re: Karl Watson] #2563694
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Originally Posted by Karl Watson


the playing is just a lot of unrelieved pounding and/or thumping.



I lol'd. Karl wins the thread.


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Originally Posted by Jean Claude
Originally Posted by phantomFive
Is it possible to have the blues when you are playing on a Steinway you own?


Well....perhaps, but it seems a fair bet that it won't be the 'Wish I'd bought a Ritmuller blues'


Wish I'd Bought a Fazioli Blues? smokin cursing


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Re: What abuse of a fine piano... [Re: ando] #2563756
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Originally Posted by ando
Originally Posted by Retsacnal
Originally Posted by phantomFive
Is it possible to have the blues when you are playing on a Steinway you own?

This philosophical question reminds me of a hilarious line in a horrible movie I saw years ago. I forget the title, but Ralph Machio (sp?) plays a Julliard student whose true passion is the blues. He discovers that a famous blues player lives in a nearby nursing home and goes to visit. The old man explains that you don't learn the blues so much as live them, and remains dubious while the kid insists that he's a "blues man."

When the kid tells him that he lives in the dorm at the Julliard, the old man howls: "times is hard!"


Aww, come on "Crossroads" aint so bad! And the guitar duel at the end is epic!


OK, I confess: I went and watched a few clips, and then streamed the whole movie. wink

I think my dislike back in the day was probably cog-dis associated with Machio as a guitar hero...

I think the best scene in the movie is the five minutes preceding the guitar duel. Robert Judd's portrayal of the devil is incredible, and the very essence of the legend of the crossroads!



In an ironic turn of events, Judd died before the movie was even released. confused


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Tune, tone and preference for a style are all subjective, but I agree that the tempo seemed a bit fast.


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