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EBVT for Concerts, Revisited #2559711
07/29/16 11:28 PM
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Back in April, Toni Goldener posted a thread titled, "EBVT for Concerts," asking for opinions to help him decide whether or not he should give it a try. He later posted a recording of the (very lovely) concert with the piano tuned to EBVT.

In that thread, as Toni was gathering information and making up his mind what to do, I wrote:

Originally Posted by Cinnamonbear
Last year, I tuned a vintage Haddorff grand to EBVT III for a piano/vocal concert. It worked very well. At the reception after the program, the accompanist sought me out to say how much she enjoyed the sound of the piano. (The vocalists were in their own world. wink )

I have not yet been able to pry a copy of the recording from the maestro vocalist, but as soon as I get a copy, I'll post some samples. There were some very beautiful moments where the pianist and vocalists blended beautifully... At least, that's how it sounded to me from my seat in the balcony.

Go ahead and give it a try!

--Andy


Lo, and Behold! Last week, I tuned the piano of Mr. Maestro Vocalist mentioned above, and bless his darlin' heart, he presented me with a CD of the concert! Better late than never...

Alas, it was recorded with a single condensor mic. As I recall, the piano was played with the lid at quarter stick (*sigh*), and situated well behind the vocalists. In these recordings, it sounds like it, too. smirk The piano is a 5' 9" Haddorff, built probably in the 1920s, and reconditioned/restrung probably in the 1970s. The venue is a large cathedral-style sanctuary, with cork floors and a high stretched canvas ceiling. All that is to say, I hope you can enjoy these samples. I did some sound editing to try to bring some better definition to the rudimentary recording.

01 Vivaldi - Laudamus te

03 Schubert - Abschied

05 Ravel - Don Quichotte a Dulcinee - Chanson romanesque / Chanson epique / Chanson a boire

06 Schumann - Wenn ich ein Voglein war / Herbtslied / Schon Blumelein

08 Rodgers & Hammerstein - (When I Marry) Mr. Snow

12 Dassin - Les Champs Elysees

My personal fave is the Schumann. That's the piece that I remember sounding so incredible from my seat in the balcony. Mr. Maestro Vocalist's fave is the Schubert. I'm guessing Mr. Bremmer's fave will be "Les Champs Elysees." grin

Enjoy!
--Andy

Last edited by Cinnamonbear; 07/30/16 12:39 AM. Reason: Added a few tracks

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Re: EBVT for Concerts, Revisited [Re: Cinnamonbear] #2559814
07/30/16 02:25 PM
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Thank you.


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Re: EBVT for Concerts, Revisited [Re: Cinnamonbear] #2562902
08/13/16 12:39 PM
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Andy,

I finally got around to where I had time to listen to all of these. The one thing that you prove and that anyone who uses the EBVT for a live performance is that no music requires the use of ET.

The recording itself was not too good. Unbalanced and the piano largely in the background with a lot of echo. That is not a criticism of you because I know it was to be however it came out. No elaborate set up. Effectively, just a boot leg recording. Nevertheless, what I can hear is that the piano sounded quite professionally tuned! You have done amazingly well.

As for the material, I am not a fan of counter tenors although I have heard some who were quite amazing and pleasing to hear. I could understand his French in the Champs Elysees piece however and I would say that both of those who sang in French did that quite well.

My favorite, however was the Mr. Snow song because I had performed in that musical 3 times and once played the role of Mr. Snow. Rodgers & Hammerstein's Carousel is one of my favorite musicals. I hold such scores of early 20th Century American musicals as examples of how virtually all music adhered to the value of the key signature.

When a piano technician chooses the EBVT or any other mild, cycle of fifths based temperament to tune virtually any piano for any use, it will never be found that the music is in the wrong key but rather, it is in the right one. I've been using such a temperament for 25 years now as my usual for ordinary home pianos, for schools, churches, hotels, restaurants, recording studios and concert halls.


Bill Bremmer RPT
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Re: EBVT for Concerts, Revisited [Re: Cinnamonbear] #2562958
08/13/16 04:32 PM
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BIll, I demonstrated your EBVT to my technician/tuner over a year ago. Since that time it is the only temperament he tunes for all his clients at private homes, churches, jazz clubs, studios and recital halls.

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Re: EBVT for Concerts, Revisited [Re: Cinnamonbear] #2563366
08/15/16 08:56 AM
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Since the Skype session with Bill I tune the EBVT temperament on all pianos.
Everyone loves it and most of the clients do not hear a difference from ET.
Even if I explain it to them. Even some pianists.
I few weeks ago my wife and I did a recording for our homepage. It will appear soon on our homepage.
It was a nice Steinway B, unfortunately I was not allowed to tune it, so I accepted the (quasi) ET tuned on it. At home I can use the different key colors for musical expression, on the Steinway it was of course not possible. It was okay, too, but not my favorite anymore, somehow boring.


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