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Re: The $10K-$15K Grand Piano Buyer’s Dilemma [Re: dogperson] #2561457
08/06/16 03:22 PM
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Hello dogperson.

Though I try to be specific, my replies are often misconstrued and they certainly weren't meant to imply that everyone bases their opinions on that written in books, or by status, but it does happen. I was simply relaying this observation and reality. It especially held true in my experience, after having played the higher tier pianos and not being impressed with them. After the publication(s) told me this one was better than that one and I found it to be otherwise, what am I supposed to do, shut up like a clam and bow to the almighty piano hierarchy and just accept the fact that I'm wrong in my opinion? I'm afraid not.

Fairness aside, when well respected 24 hour a day 7 days a week piano movers tell me that they more often move pianos for those who don't even play, it's hard to ignore the possibility that even more buyers purchase their pianos based not on what they prefer, but on what others think. Case in point, my high school friend who purchased an M&H. Though he had never played a piano in his life before purchasing this one, he proceeded to tell me with great authority how all Yamahas are too bright, all Schimmel's were too dark, all Baldwin's were garbage, etc. I was taken aback by his "revelation" and slowly began to question how he arrived at these facts and then started to inform him of his inaccuracies. Through further conversation it was revealed that these "facts" were in indeed parroted to him, as he had never even played any of the pianos he spoke of as being "inferior" to the M&H in his living room.

My ramblings aren't a matter of being fair, or politically correct, or otherwise. I produce my opinions based on observations and experiences, and if the aforementioned are found to be irritating then those individuals have my apologies, and I encourage them to ignore me and I promise I won't be upset in the least, unlike the disproportionate many here who seem especially thin skinned.

I'm more than happy for you that you've found a piano that you find to be exactly what you wanted! Bear in mind thought that to someone other than you that piano may have been a Baldwin, a Blüthner, a Kawai, a Schimmel, a Young Chang, or any other brand. So who's correct in their opinions, their observations, their decisions? Nobody' right if everybody's wrong.

As mentioned earlier, I'm not saying that M&H pianos are in some way inferior or of poor quality or suggest someone purchase something else, I am simply stating my dislike for them. >>>> Mine alone <<<< Why people are taking this as some kind of rip against M&H pianos appears to be some kind of issue with reading comprehension. I certainly reserve the right to disagree with any author of any written publication, world renounded rebuilder, or individual, because they don't tell me what I should like based on their opinions, I tell ME what I like based on MY opinions. End of report.

Can we please end this and give the thread back to the OP?

Regards,
Andy


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Re: The $10K-$15K Grand Piano Buyer’s Dilemma [Re: Narj] #2562308
08/10/16 11:06 PM
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I wasn't Yamaha fan either, but since Yamaha owns Bösendorfer and hasn't ruined it I'm thrilled with Yamaha!

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Re: The $10K-$15K Grand Piano Buyer’s Dilemma [Re: JazzyJamMan] #2562594
08/12/16 07:37 AM
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Well I am a Yamaha fan, I'm completely in love with brightness and clarity (not harshness though, that's a different thing). Also, with my budget and playing (in)ability, it wouldn't make sense to dream of a Steinway or a Grotrian or whatever. So I'm quite sure of the grand piano I will buy when the time comes: a second-hand C3 or C5. It won't be hard to find one nearby, and it won't require months or years of trying this and that. It will be placed in a 12'x21' room with a 12' ceiling, so I'm really hoping to find a good bargain on a C5, but we'll see.

By now I'd like to see pictures of your Yamaha piano, and keep dreaming of that moment!


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Re: The $10K-$15K Grand Piano Buyer’s Dilemma [Re: JazzyJamMan] #2565448
08/23/16 07:20 PM
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I'm assuming you're in USA, but in UK you could buy a fully restored/rebuilt C. Bechsteins for about 15k, if you look around. They are about 100 years old but restorers practically change everything and repair all the problems. Good restorers will use best available parts and try to keep it as closed to original specs a possible, so these become almost as good as new. I don't know how common these used old Bechsteins are in US, but they are great value for money. Also restored old Bluthners can be found at similar prices.

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Re: The $10K-$15K Grand Piano Buyer’s Dilemma [Re: JazzyJamMan] #2565477
08/23/16 08:42 PM
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my piano tech said that he didn't trust these pianos

I'm always skeptical of generic criticism like this. What does it really mean? Will the piano sneak into the owner's bedroom in the middle of the night, and smother them with a pillow? What I've found in my industry, when someone doesn't "trust" a new tool, technology or design approach, it means they're either selling something else, or they're too lazy or incapable of learning something new.


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Re: The $10K-$15K Grand Piano Buyer’s Dilemma [Re: Retsacnal] #2565516
08/23/16 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Retsacnal
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my piano tech said that he didn't trust these pianos

...Will the piano sneak into the owner's bedroom in the middle of the night, and smother them with a pillow?


What a thought!! I have never appreciated my narrow staircase more!


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Re: The $10K-$15K Grand Piano Buyer’s Dilemma [Re: JazzyJamMan] #2565676
08/24/16 01:47 PM
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Malkin, Retsacnal, and Norbert:

I was paraphrasing my tech's comments on the Ritmuller. In general, he felt that the known build quality of even a used Yamaha C was perhaps a better bet than a piano that's ultimately made by Pearl River.

All that aside, and now that I have my piano, I'm certain that I'd have been just as happy with the Ritmuller. I still would recommend that anyone looking for used C3 also check out a new GH170.

In the end, I found a piano that I really liked for a few thousand less than a brand new Ritmuller. But I don't think I would have gone wrong in either case.

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