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DGX 660 or Kawai ES 100 for Classical?
#2550461 06/19/16 07:34 AM
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Hello everyone. Does anyone here have any experience with the Yamaha DGX660 and/or Kawai ES100? I read some very good and some very bad things at the same time. I want a piano to use for practicing classical music, so the action is very important to me.

I read the Kawai ES100 was a much better keyboard for classical in terms of action even though the sound from the internal speakers might be worse due to the size.

However, I was looking for something like the Yamaha DGX660 in terms of overall features. The DGX would give me the ability to easily record and has a lot of good sounds and styles I can go into when I'm in need of something other than classical.

Any ideas or suggestions? I'll probably end up with the DGX660 just because of the action and the sound that seems slightly more realistic.

I mostly played on crappy acoustic pianos so anything is a step up but I want a more realistic action. I won't have the option to try either of them as I have to order online.


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Have a look at the Roland FP30, it is in the same price range. Good piano sound and action (new PHA IV standard action with escapement).

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Hello Teodor,

Originally Posted by Teodor
I want a piano to use for practicing classical music, so the action is very important to me.


May I ask, what is your maximum budget?

Originally Posted by Teodor
I read the Kawai ES100 was a much better keyboard for classical in terms of action


Well, action quality is highly subjective. However, the ES100's action was previously used in a number of highly regarded instruments, including the ES6.

Originally Posted by Teodor
...the sound from the internal speakers might be worse due to the size.


The ES100's speakers are not incredibly powerful, but they do a good job of delivering the instrument's built-in sounds.

Originally Posted by Teodor
However, I was looking for something like the Yamaha DGX660 in terms of overall features. The DGX would give me the ability to easily record and has a lot of good sounds and styles I can go into when I'm in need of something other than classical.


The DGX-660 has an abundance of features, however if your principle requirement is to practise classical music, the Yamaha P-115 features the same keyboard action and piano sound at a lower price.

Originally Posted by Teodor
Any ideas or suggestions? I'll probably end up with the DGX660 just because of the action and the sound that seems slightly more realistic.


May I ask why you believe the action and sound to be 'slight more realistic'?

Originally Posted by Teodor
I mostly played on crappy acoustic pianos so anything is a step up but I want a more realistic action.


If you are seeking an entry-level instrument without good keyboard action and piano sounds, along with the ES100 and P115, I would also consider the Roland FP-30 and Casio PX-160.

Originally Posted by Teodor
I won't have the option to try either of them as I have to order online.


That's unfortunate - play-testing an instrument before buying is strongly recommended, wherever possible.

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Re: DGX 660 or Kawai ES 100 for Classical?
Kawai James #2550701 06/20/16 07:01 AM
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The dgxs great strength is ease of recording multi track stuff. If you fancy doing this like I did, its enormous fun and the different instruments can be adjusted for vol and reverb etc before storing in an easily retrievable memory bank.

The keyboard IMO is OK for classical up to a certain standard, but there are better and, if classical is your thing, I d look elsewhere. Having had the DGX650 and previous incarnations I've had no complaints concerning it's versatility.

The ES100 has a good sound, but you really need to try these out somehow.


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Hello all,
Thank you for the wonderful advice shared here.

I had a wonderful experience yesterday. I wandered into a music store in my city because I saw a box with a Kawai upright outside that they were getting ready to ship somewhere.

I've been to this store 3 times and never noticed but all they sell is Kawai pianos. I got all the official brochures and the 2016 production catalogue.

I also got to try ES8 and WOW this is a great piano which is slightly more expensive but I think I will go with that because it felt great. I played it for about 30 mins. I can't believe there is a Kawai store here. I was going to order online but the price in the store is only slightly higher and I won't have to wait a month for delivery.

Now I only have to decide if I want it in black or white.







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Teodor, that's good to hear.

My apologies for not querying where you are based - I might have been able to point you towards that store a little earlier. wink

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Hi James,
I stumbled upon an add for used CN35 that has supposedly not been played much yet. The person is having trouble selling it in Bulgaria and I've watched the offer price drop to 50% of market price and still nobody wants it. The seller messaged me to let me know he reduced the price further, so he looks desperate at this point to sell it to someone.

I'm thinking of going over to his place and playing it to see how it feels.

Could you elaborate a bit on this if you have experience with both CN35 and ES8. Is the main difference portability or are there any advantages/disadvantages of having a CN35 and not ES8 or the other way around?

I got a Yamaha P105 from a friend so I have a temporary piano (very nice for the price and portability but relatively bad key action compared to the Kawai in question, so I'd love to finally get my own instrument by the end of the month.

Cheers,
Teo

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Kawai all the way... The best digital piano key action company miles ahead!... Cheers!.

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If that CN35 is in excellent condition, I'd jump on it if I were you. I tried one this weekend, and it was simply wonderful to play with a great action, great acoustic piano sounds, great vintage EP sounds, and easy to use. I've not played an ES100, but I I believe that the CN35 beats it in all ways.


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Hello Teodor,

Originally Posted by Teodor
Could you elaborate a bit on this if you have experience with both CN35 and ES8. Is the main difference portability or are there any advantages/disadvantages of having a CN35 and not ES8 or the other way around?


Aside from the obvious form factor and speaker system differences, the two instruments utilise different tone generators: HI-XL for the ES8, and PHI for the CN35 (thus closer to the ES7 sound). PHI still delivers a very realistic, expressive sound, however HI-XL requires a larger amount of sample memory and is therefore more detailed. In addition, the ES8 also features the latest Shigeru Kawai SK-EX and SK-5 piano sounds, and Rhythm Section accompaniment feature, but lacks the built-in Lesson songs of the CN35. Finally, the ES8 allows greater control over the amp/speaker modelling applied to electric piano/organ sounds - something that cannot be adjusted on the CN35. Both models feature the same 'Responsive Hammer III' (RHIII) keyboard action, with counterweights embedded within all 88 keys.

For a side-by-side comparison of the two instruments, please check this link.

I hope this helps.

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Thank you James. I'll think about it. I'll probably still go with the ES8 since I prefer to have a brand new piano with warranty and the other one is not really portable, so I don't think it will fit into my lifestyle. I keep moving every year.


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I ended up buying an ES100 in the end. ES8 is amazing for the price, however, I wanted to also make room in my budget for buying my first car (something cheap but durable) and by getting ES100 I essentially saved about half the money needed for that venture smile

After trying out the ES8 the ES100 will get some getting used to because it's not as good but compared to other similar keyaboards in this range I have tried it's actually good. However it feels a bit jumpy and uneven but that's probably just my technique, I haven't played much in the past year, I haven't touched an acoustic either, so I can't compare. The feeling of playing and feeling the bottom of the keybed is not there which was not the case with ES8.

I'll just have to do with ES100 for now and eventually upgrade to ES8 or something else once I improve enough. I've got a piano exam to take to graduate and get my Bachelor's and this should do nicely.

I also got a really cool piano bench and headphones. Some pictures below. I ordered the designer stand and pedals but those will come later as they need to be delivered from Germany.

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Congrats Teodor!

Best of luck with your studies.

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