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Re: Trading in one Piano for Another - In the Dark Here [Re: pianomise] #2556300
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Originally Posted by pianomise
But, I am concerned that the salesman is looking to make an unfair profit in the process.
And concerned that I walk out with a piano that is not actually worth what I paid for it, so that it instantly loses 5K in value the moment it is delivered.

Market price is determined by competitions, not by fairness.

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Re: Trading in one Piano for Another - In the Dark Here [Re: pianomise] #2556329
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When I did a search for a new piano (although I chose to keep my existing piano afterwards), I tried K-600, K-800, YUS5 and many other models.

With respect to the sound, I like K-800 the most. Even for K-600, the base is better then YSD5. "bizarre vibrations"? I can feel it in the cheaper China made Kawai and Yamaha models. But I can't fell this on any of these top models.

I think the touch of K-600 and K-800 is excellent too. Due to the longer key design, its dynamic range is better than YUS-5.

If both YUS-5 and K-600 are price the same, I may take YUS-5 (just because it has a high resell value). But the fact is that YUS-5 is even more expensive then K-800. Why would I pay for that premium?

You may have a bad experience with Kawai on the old K series. But does it worth the extra $$ to get rid of that feeling?

Re: Trading in one Piano for Another - In the Dark Here [Re: pianomise] #2556375
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How about you take delivery of the new K600, and get a trusted piano technician to set it up nicely? Let it settle in your home, get it tuned again after about 6-8 weeks, and you should have a very nice piano. The K-600 is certainly a worthwhile improvement on the K-6 in my experience.

You may be interested to know that the Royal College of Music in London have 23 K-600AS (same piano, but with sostenuto pedal).

In answer to the earlier question about whether the K-600 is being phased out... Kawai distributors around the world select their own range profile. The K-600 is still very much a current and continuing model, but Kawai in the US will have made a decision based on where demand lies. It's the same here in the UK - we don't offer the K400 here. It is a lovely piano, but that shape/design of cabinet isn't popular with UK dealers and buyers.


I work at Kawai UK but any opinions expressed here are my own, and drawn from many years of playing the piano and working in a multi-brand piano sales department.
Re: Trading in one Piano for Another - In the Dark Here [Re: pianomise] #2556399
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I'm not clear at all on why you don't want the K600, or what seems to have soured you on Kawai itself.


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Re: Trading in one Piano for Another - In the Dark Here [Re: ebonykawai] #2558153
07/23/16 06:26 AM
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As I hope I expressed clearly in an earlier post, there was an issue with a tinny sound from certain keys in the K-6. Must have gotten a lemon, as I know that Kawai makes great pianos.

Re: Trading in one Piano for Another - In the Dark Here [Re: pianomise] #2558155
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Carey,
The K-600 entered the picture because that was what Kawai offered to replace the K-6 with.
best,
Mac

Re: Trading in one Piano for Another - In the Dark Here [Re: pianomise] #2558156
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dogperson,
I decided to not play that K-600 in the box, as it was such a step up from the K-6, in terms of value (and trade-in value), that I decided to try to use it (as a "new, unopened" trade-in) to move up from an upright to a grand.


Re: Trading in one Piano for Another - In the Dark Here [Re: pianomise] #2558157
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Thanks for all the comments.

Sorry for the delay in posting. I was on vacation.

Here is the final act in this drama:
After much discussion and thought, I am going to trade in the replacement K-600 from Kawai, with some out of pocket money into the bargain, and get a new Kawai GL-30.
I was able to work out a deal (with Kawai and the local Kawai dealer) that was not unreasonable.

Let's hope this turns out to be a good step up.

I don't have the GL-30 quite yet.
Mac

Re: Trading in one Piano for Another - In the Dark Here [Re: pianomise] #2558158
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I hope you are not buying a GL-30 in the box. As has been pointed out many times on these forums, each piano, even of the same model and brand, is unique. You need to actually play the piano you are buying.

Re: Trading in one Piano for Another - In the Dark Here [Re: pianomise] #2558160
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Yes, I am going to play it first.

Re: Trading in one Piano for Another - In the Dark Here [Re: pianomise] #2558195
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That is usually easy to fix. Often it is only hammers which are not hitting the strings evenly. If you gently push the hammer against the strings with the damper off, and strum the strings with a plectrum, you can hear whether the strings are hitting evenly or not.


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Re: Trading in one Piano for Another - In the Dark Here [Re: pianomise] #2561027
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A top piano tuner sent by Kawai could not fix it.
So they took it back.
Mac

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