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Recording piano with clavinova 709 #2555606
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Greetings ladies and gents,

I looked around the net for a while and I cant really find any info on the piano sound of the Yamaha clavinova CVP-709 other then that its a cfx sample.

Otherwise I wouldn't waste any ones time here.

Is there anyone out there who actually plays the Yamaha CVP-709?

I ask since I want to do piano recordings and I wanted to know if it's better to get a setup of a VST piano like Ivory or Pianoteq or is the CVP 709 a good sounding piano for recording? I understand that they both have midi possibility and I can always fix up the MIDI on my PC and then put it back into the CVP.

In summary: Does this CVP keyboard record with a professional sounding Piano or not?

The cost isn't a problem, since I'm selling my piano.

Thanks so much in advance

Slammy.

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Re: Recording piano with clavinova 709 [Re: Slamman] #2555691
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Hi Slammy,

I've been lusting after this piano for sometime. It is however, VERY expensive, almost 3x the cost of the very good digital piano's around the £2000 mark. None of them have anything like the arranger functions of the CVP 709, the wonderful' iPad like' touch screen or the superior sound. You almost' get it all' with this piano including a very engaging piano touch. However, very few people on this forum seem to have splashed out for it and so its a totally neglected product. I can't imagine it not producing sound at the professional level as it is based on Yamaha's arranger workstation the Tyros 5. Sorry I can't be of more help. Hopefully an owner on the forum will emerge from the woodwork with more useful information.


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Re: Recording piano with clavinova 709 [Re: Slamman] #2555745
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Originally Posted by Slamman

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I ask since I want to do piano recordings and I wanted to know if it's better to get a setup of a VST piano like Ivory or Pianoteq or is the CVP 709 a good sounding piano for recording? I understand that they both have midi possibility and I can always fix up the MIDI on my PC and then put it back into the CVP.

In summary: Does this CVP keyboard record with a professional sounding Piano or not?

I think you will find that a software piano like Ivory II or Vintage D will always provide better piano sound than a digital piano. Software pianos, sampled and Pianoteq, get better with new releases, while Yamaha's digital pianos change little from one version to the next, despite new marketing hype. Most of the changes in CVP series versions increase the arranger functions and sounds, and don't improve the piano sound much. Don't misunderstand, they sound ok, but software pianos are the state-of-the-art and new versions are introduced frequently giving you many options to satisfy your subjective preferences.

That said, if you want the arranger features, nothing wrong with using the CVP series with software pianos. I bought my CVP-409GP years ago specifically to use with software pianos. It's served me well and my wife thinks it looks nice in the living room.


Macy

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Re: Recording piano with clavinova 709 [Re: Slamman] #2555766
07/10/16 09:31 PM
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Hello Slamman, welcome to the forum.

The CVP-709 is by all accounts an excellent digital piano, featuring Yamaha's top of the range keyboard and piano sounds, along with a broad range of powerful ensemble features.

If you are planning to record multi-track pieces with full accompaniment, I believe an ensemble instrument such as the Yamaha CVP (or Kawai CP series) is certainly worth considering. However, if your recordings will be more piano focussed, perhaps a 'regular' digital piano such as the Clavinova CLP-585, Kawai CA97/CS11, Roland HP/LX, or Casio GP would be preferable? If you have not done so already, I would strong recommend visiting a selection of local piano retailers to play-test their digital instruments.

As for the question regarding digital piano sound vs. software piano sound, I would argue that modern digital pianos do a wonderful job of recreating the sound of an acoustic instrument. However, software pianos offer broader flexibility, due to the ability to select from a wide range of different piano libraries.

Best of luck with your search!

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Re: Recording piano with clavinova 709 [Re: Kawai James] #2555800
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Wow thanks guys so much!

Truth is the only reason I thought of the cvp 709 was because a friends recommended it - I see all of your points as very informative.Though No one here seems to actually have the cvp 709.... I heard the sound is new and stunning.

Yeah, I really just want to record Piano.

I went to a studio and it's really expensive to record there. First I needed to pay for the tuning then pay per hour. With all of the excitement I made many mistakes (and I'm a pretty good classical pianist). So I want to get myself a piano I can record on my own time without all of the pressure.

I was told they can attach a "SILENT" to my Ibach piano buy that costs a lot and then basically it's the same sample piano as most of the DP's out there.

So is there any other DP out there that simulated a feel and sound of a piano? I really thought the CVP 709 was it based on all the sites I read....

Much appreciated. And thanks for the red carpet welcoming smile

Slammy.


Re: Recording piano with clavinova 709 [Re: Slamman] #2555810
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I'm sure it sounds great and all, but if you just want to record piano it's not a very efficient use of money. A huge amount of what you spend will be going towards the speakers, interface and cabinet which are of zero use to you it sounds like.


Philip Johnston makes some beautiful digital recordings and posts about his process here on the forums. Maybe ask him about what he suggests.



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Re: Recording piano with clavinova 709 [Re: Slamman] #2555856
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If all you want is a piano, you should go with a CLP. The CVPs are interesting if you want a digital piano AND an arranger which can create your accompaniment.


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Re: Recording piano with clavinova 709 [Re: Slamman] #2555905
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Get around to some piano stores (and non-piano musical instrument stores), and see how _you_ like the touch, and sound, of some high-end DP's.

If you're a decent classical pianist, you'll quickly figure out what works for you, and what doesn't.

Bring your own headphones! You want to hear difference between Piano A and Piano B, _before_ the music goes through their respective loudspeakers.

. . . You don't record DP's through their loudspeakers.

The most cost-effective approach to a good classical recording might be a Kawai VPC1 keyboard, and a software piano (sample player, or Pianoteq). It will be difficult to find that setup in any store.


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Re: Recording piano with clavinova 709 [Re: Charles Cohen] #2556015
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Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
The most cost-effective approach to a good classical recording might be a Kawai VPC1 keyboard, and a software piano (sample player, or Pianoteq).


Strongly agree! wink

Cheers,
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Re: Recording piano with clavinova 709 [Re: Kawai James] #2556386
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That's a good idea thanks.
I also just heard of the Roland LX17 that supposedly works through modeling and not sampling.

Is it any good?

This has been helpful!

Re: Recording piano with clavinova 709 [Re: Slamman] #2556473
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Originally Posted by Slamman
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I also just heard of the Roland LX17 that supposedly works through modeling and not sampling.

Is it any good?



Yes, it's plenty good. Try one if you can.


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