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Alright, I know this has been discussed before, but it has been a while, and I thought it would be interesting to have this discussion at the same time as the very similar thread about Chopin.

So, then, who do YOU think plays Liszt most the way Liszt would have played his pieces?


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Cziffra probably is the name that would be mentioned more frequently than others. He is not my cup of tea though.

My prefered Liszt players are:

S. Richter
L. Berman
V. Georghiu
V. Horowitz
R. Szidon
G. Bolet
E. Wild
M. Perahia
A. Brendel (in his early years) and a few others.

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Liszt B minor: Argerich.

No contest, at least for those who prefer white hot inspiration to the genial musing of Arrau, Curzon or Brendel.

Arrau's recording has been praised, but I cannot see that Liszt would have had much patience with it.


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One thing to note is that the pianos Liszt preferred even late in his life were significantly different---not worse, but *different*---from the pianos used today. If you want a pianist who sounds anything like Liszt, you will probably have to wait at least until some genius pianist starts to take an (historically) informed interest in Liszt's music, and not just Mozart's or Bach's or Beethoven's.

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Horowitz's Liszt is always wonderful. His 1932 recording of the sonata is amazing.

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Horowitz's Liszt is always wonderful. His 1932 recording of the sonata is amazing.
Yes, but not his later recording. IMHO, of course.


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I was lucky enough to hear Horowitz in Houston and again in Dallas in the 1970s. He played the Liszt sonata and I can't describe how intense it was - you were on the edge of your seat. It was clearly not the playing of a young pianist but yet still had enormous impact - it brought down the house.
In Dallas, having not played there for I think twenty-five years, Horowitz agreed to have a autograph reception at the Dallas Museum of Art where he and Mrs. Horowitz donated a painting by Rouault from their private collection.
I presented him the 1932 Liszt sonata on 78RPM shellac records from my father's collection to sign and he said with a smile "I don't play like that anymore." I still have it with his signature on it.

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Pahl, thanks for sharing that. One more damned reason why I regret I'm too young to have heard Horowitz live.

But with all due respect, Horowitz's stereo Liszt B minor had so many added notes -particularly in the bass- that ultimately I found it very tiresome on the ear. One might observe also, that Liszt doesn't make use of the lowest "B" on the piano until the last note. Yet Horowitz obviously made use of it many times prior.

I wouldn't care to argue the point with Horowitz, yet that recording of the sonata, along with (for example) the Mephisto Waltz and Chopin's G minor Ballade seem so utterly distorted, that I must seriously ask: did Horowitz really think he was making any improvements?

Argerich plays the sonata using only the notes Liszt wrote (okay, there could be one exception- though I'm not certain of it), and her white hot recording is testament to the validity of Liszt's original conception.


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Jorge Bolet - All his Liszt recordings
Lazar Berman - Anees de Pelerinage
Robert Szidon - Hungarian Rhapsodies
Sviatoslav Richter - Piano Concertos (1st Choice)
Krystian Zimerman - Piano Concertos (2nd Choice)
Steven Osborne - Harmonies Poetiques et Religieus
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Horowitz's stereo Liszt B minor and First Mephisto and at least one of his Chopin G minor ballades all come from the late RCA period, which should generally be avoided as the worst period for Horowitz. During that time, Horowitz was depressed and took medication, and Wanda couldn't bear to listen to his concerts and thought that he would never recover. But he did, and his later Gramophone recordings are brilliant.

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Horowitz's Liszt is always wonderful. His 1932 recording of the sonata is amazing.
Agreed. And his recording of Funerailles from the same era is stunning as well. I found myself awestruck both by Horowitz and Liszt.


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Horowitz and Cziffra. And Horowitz. Oh yeah.......and Cziffra.


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Berman's trancendental Etudes and Spanish Rhapsody are fantastic. Volodos has a great Liszt album.

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Originally Posted by Andrei Anghel
Arrau's version is a billion times better!

Not given to exaggerating much?

I admire a lot of Arrau's Liszt -Benediction, B minor Ballade, Il lamento & La leggierezza for example- just not his recording of the Sonata and several of the Transcendentals.


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CZIFFRA! Especially in the Hungarian Rhapsodies.

Not because I think his technical command is greater than many other of the best Liszt pianists or because I think his playing is more brilliant than other top Lisztians. It's something to do with the rhythm in his playing of the HRs that I can't explain but perhaps others can. His rubato seems different from any other pianist and somehow gives the HRs more of what I'd call a gypsy feeling.

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Originally Posted by Colin Thomson
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So, then, who do YOU think plays Liszt most the way Liszt would have played his pieces?


How does any of us know how Liszt would have played his pieces?

For this type of question, I don't think that there is a "best". Whom do you like playing Liszt? seems more to the point, because the answer is almost always "my favourite is ...", a subjective opinion rather than an objective answer.

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I would vote for Cziffra, but wouldn't really claim he is the "best" interpreter, as this is subjective.



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If we're talking about best Liszt interpreters, rather than technicians, I'll take Arrau any day. And I can't even think of anyone else that I would rate with him, frankly.

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Originally Posted by Colin Thomson
Alright, I know this has been discussed before, but it has been a while, and I thought it would be interesting to have this discussion at the same time as the very similar thread about Chopin.

So, then, who do YOU think plays Liszt most the way Liszt would have played his pieces?


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