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Lesser heard Piano Concertos #2553099 06/30/16 09:48 AM
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Hello everyone!

I'm so sorry, I just realized that I only ever post hear when I need a question answered or suggestions! eek Hopefully this on hasn't been asked too many times. grin

Basically, my teacher has (more or less) given me free reign to choose a concerto for a competition I'll be entering in a few months. It's nothing massive; it's literally just a competition my conservatoire runs every couple of years. The first, second and third place get to play their concerto with our orchestra.

I had my last lesson with my teacher yesterday before the summer holidays and when we were discussing it, he said doesn't want me to pick anything from common repertoire and to pick out something less played and adventurous. I asked why and apparently the competion usually has multiple entries of Grieg, Rachmaninoff, Tchaivosky, Shostakovich 2, Ravel, the Mozart D minor etc.

I've found a couple of less played that I like (Pierné, which I adore, Lalo) but somehow I don't think they'd be phenomenal entries (somehow, neither sound like concertos to me, more music for orchestra and piano). It's also harder than I thought it would be to find something unusual, online anyway. A lot of the lesser heard ones feel very... insubstantial. Which isn't always a bad thing but it isn't what I need. I'm also not too fussed about difficulty, I've a while to do it, but I've found a lot of them reach into the extremes of difficult despite not being amazing. yawn


So I turn it over to you for suggestions, if you have any, does anyone have any lesser heard or unusual suggestions?

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Re: Lesser heard Piano Concertos [Re: Dean F] #2553105 06/30/16 10:03 AM
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John Field wrote, I think, 4 piano concertos. I've heard at least one and it was lovely. Some of the Brahms concertos aren't played a lot. There's always Bach.


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The Pierne seems perfectly reasonable to me, but you need to do research of any concerto you perform to make sure that the parts are available.

I have a fondness for the Paderewsky Concerto, which has a beautiful slow movement. The Stravinsky Concerto and Capriccio are both worth investigating, and the Hummel b-minor, and maybe some of his others.


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Concertos by JC Bach, note the "C"


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Originally Posted by gooddog
John Field wrote, I think, 4 piano concertos. I've heard at least one and it was lovely. Some of the Brahms concertos aren't played a lot. There's always Bach.


"Some of the Brahms..."? There are only two, each monumental in its own way and, if they are not often played - really? - perhaps because of their difficulty, they are certainly part of the standard repertoire of seasoned performers.

Field wrote seven piano concerti (according to Groves), but the availability of the scores and the parts might be in question.

Here's another vote for two of the better-known Hummel, Op. 85 or Op. 89.

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For a concerto competition: whichever concerto you pick, if there's not a given list of concerti to choose from, you may want to double check with those in charge of the competition if the concerto you pick is fine.

Saint-Saens 4 is a great one that isn't done as much. Or for something a little shorter, Saint-Saens' "Africa" fantasy for piano and orchestra.

Speaking of fantasy for piano and orchestra, you could look at Debussy. Some people enjoy it, some people don't think it's his best output, but you can decide.

Schubert's Wanderer Fantasy arranged for piano and orchestra by Liszt? ha My former teacher from undergrad actually got to perform it with an orchestra once.

I'm also a fan of Hindemith's piano concerto. Great piece, rarely played.

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Originally Posted by BruceD
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John Field wrote, I think, 4 piano concertos. I've heard at least one and it was lovely. Some of the Brahms concertos aren't played a lot. There's always Bach.


"Some of the Brahms..."? There are only two, each monumental in its own way and, if they are not often played - really? - perhaps because of their difficulty, they are certainly part of the standard repertoire of seasoned performers.

Field wrote seven piano concerti (according to Groves), but the availability of the scores and the parts might be in question.

Here's another vote for two of the better-known Hummel, Op. 85 or Op. 89.

Regards,
Bruce, you are always more knowledgeable than I. That's what I get for shooting my mouth off without looking things up first! See you soon!


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There is Liszt's Hungarian Fantasy.

https://youtu.be/H8isLhmZX7g


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For something a bit more recent, John Adams' Century Rolls is quite nice, as is Michael Jarrell's Abschied (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0A1Dc_4BQE). If rhythmical difficulties don't scare you, the Ligeti concerto has become quite an audience favourite in recent years.

(And there's my own concerto also [Mov. I] [Mov. II] as well, but I wouldn't quite put it in the same league as the other ones I mentioned.)


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Liszt is surprisingly underplayed these days. The A major is a wonderful, memorable piece that is not often heard.

I've performed the Stravinsky Concerto. It is scored for piano and winds/brass only! Great piece but not for a competition entry IMO.

And why not Beethoven? Nothing says "I'm serious about this piano thing" better than really nailing a Beethoven concerto.

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Originally Posted by jeffreyjones
Liszt is surprisingly underplayed these days. The A major is a wonderful, memorable piece that is not often heard.

I've performed the Stravinsky Concerto. It is scored for piano and winds/brass only! Great piece but not for a competition entry IMO.

And why not Beethoven? Nothing says "I'm serious about this piano thing" better than really nailing a Beethoven concerto.


I'm learning the first Beethoven concerto right now, it's not terribly difficult. Some parts in the third movement are tricky though.


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If you're Irish, you definitely should play Field (Nos. 1 or 2):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRakv5LYIO4 thumb

Otherwise, there's the brilliant Weber Konzertstück in F minor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JLpbbpGOrI

Or how about this (which Earl Wild made famous with his barnstorming recording):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4Jou7pgSzM


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Have a look here! Started a thread on this topic some years ago, you might find some interesting things there.

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubb...vourite_underplayed_pia.html#Post2272767

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While there are some rather esoteric suggestions appearing here, I wonder if the scores to all of them are readily available. Isn't that an important consideration, as per the OP's request?

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If difficulty is not a problem, then the Henselt F Minor would be my first thought. If you want something a little bit more showy, then the Bortkiewicz 1st or the stunning Hannikainen. A little less showy and a bit more luscious, then i would suggest the Rozycki 1st or the menancholic Nickish concerto.

If you have complete freedom of choice then you could look at something that has not been recorded.The Brahmsian concerto by Felix Borowski is crying out for a recording and the Moskowskian concerto by O.A Boise is a blaster.

You have thousands to choose from.

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I'm inclined to agree with Thal

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