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Need help recording audio from a Roland FP-30 #2551627
06/23/16 07:38 PM
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Hi! I've been trying to figure out how to go about recording audio from the Roland FP-30, but I'm quite new to working with audio interfaces and such. What I have so far is the Roland FP-30 of course, SONAR DAW Software and a male to male audio cable.

I'm trying to figure out what I need to get it to record clearly and loudly, as when I attempted to go straight from the audio jack from the FP-30 to my PC, the the audio that was recorded was very, very quiet. I was told I should I get some sort of pre amplifier/audio interface, but I'm not sure which to get!

My Budget would be about 120-150€. Two options I see now is th PreSonus AudioBox USB and the Focusrite Scarlett 2i2. Would this be suitable for the Roland FP-30? And what other cables would I need to buy? Thanks, I apologise in advance for my lack of knowledge in regards to this.

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Re: Need help recording audio from a Roland FP-30 [Re: Keyes] #2551643
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a) There's no shame in ignorance.

b) You _don't_ need a preamplifier. The headphone output of the FP-30 is more-or-less at "line level".


c) You _do_ need to know:

. . . Is your PC capable of stereo recording from its own "Line In" jack(s) ?

. . . What user interface (e.g., the "Windows Mixer") controls the gain of the _input_ ("Mic" and 'Line In") audio jacks?

If you want to record in stereo, and your PC soundcard doesn't have a stereo "Line In" jack, you'll need either:

1. A "USB audio interface", which is a fancy name for a fancy soundcard -- something that converts the analog audio voltages at the FP-30 headphone jack, to digital signals inside the PC. (This is also called an "ADC" - analog-to-digital converter -- just to keep things complicated).

or:

2. A small "digital audio recorder", with a _stereo_ "Line In" jack (or two "Line in" jacks). [the Tascam DR-05 will work -- its manual is explicit about accepting stereo "Line In" plugs].

If you get a digital audio recorder, you can record with it, and then transfer the recorded files to your computer for editing.


You'll find lots of threads on this topic, both here, and some in the "Adult Beginners" forum.



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Re: Need help recording audio from a Roland FP-30 [Re: Charles Cohen] #2551652
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My soundcard is a Sound Blaster Audigy SE and it has a Line in. My motherboard (Which is using RealTek) has a Line in as well As for the user interface, would you be able to elaborate a bit more on that?

Which would you think would provide better quality - a Digital Audio Recorder or a USB Audio Interface? I believe the products I listed above are audio interfaces, please correct me if I'm wrong! Thanks for the replies.

Re: Need help recording audio from a Roland FP-30 [Re: Keyes] #2551653
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A digital recorder is essentially an audio interface with a mic built in and batteries. It's probably not a very cost effective solution for recording a keyboard seeing as you don't need a mic or batteries to do that.

Your line in should do a passable recording of your keyboard. Keep in mind line in is different to a mic input. If in doubt try each input and see which one works best. You do have your volume maxed on your keyboard and gain set in SONAR right? You could also try recording in audacity which has a much simpler interface if you think the issue might just not be using SONAR right.

That said a interface would be a good pick up if you want to do a lot of recording. It should give you a higher quality recording, phantom power (so you can run condenser mics) and the ability to record two tracks at once (such as vocals and piano simultaneously). I have an audiobox and I think it works fine, from what I've read online the Focusrite has a bit better reputation generally speaking but the biggest difference is probably the colour of the unit.

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Re: Need help recording audio from a Roland FP-30 [Re: AndrewJCW] #2551660
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I had tried using audacity but once again, the recording came out very quiet. I will try again tommorrow, but would the Focusrite be the right thing to pick up?

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Hi Keyes,

if you can not get it to work with your current gear which should be capable of producing a decent recording it won't make it easier with more gear. I would not recommend buying the Focusrite interface.

You need to adjust the levels on both the computer and the FP-30.

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Originally Posted by Keyes
I had tried using audacity but once again, the recording came out very quiet. I will try again tommorrow, but would the Focusrite be the right thing to pick up?

If you are sure you need an external / USB audio interface, I'd also consider the Steinberg UR22.

Personally, I was unhappy with the Presonus Audiobox (USB), I still have it, but also have a Steinberg UR22. I've not used the Focusrite interface, though.

Re: Need help recording audio from a Roland FP-30 [Re: Keyes] #2551717
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Originally Posted by Keyes
I had tried using audacity but once again, the recording came out very quiet. I will try again tommorrow, but would the Focusrite be the right thing to pick up?


With Audacity you have to normalise the sound. Like, amplify it just short of distortion. Everything comes out quiet if you don't do this.


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Re: Need help recording audio from a Roland FP-30 [Re: Keyes] #2551741
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I could not get good recording quality when I used a line out to line in connection from my (old, old) Roland fp5 to Audacity on the computer.

I got this pretty inexpensive cable/adapter and it's been smooth sailing ever since:

Alesis LineLink Stereo 1/4" Jack USB Recording Cable
http://www.alesis.com/products/legacy/linelink

I should definitely spend a bit of time tweaking Audacity settings and I think I could improve the quality some more, but it would be very small, incremental improvements compared to the huge difference the cable made.

Re: Need help recording audio from a Roland FP-30 [Re: peterws] #2551897
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It's working! The normaliser on Audacity worked great. Thank you so much. Only problem now is that there's some static/white noise (If that's what you call it?) but I was able to use the noise profile/removal tool and now it's much more clear.

Thanks for all the info/help from everyone in the thread, I really appreciate it!

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Re: Need help recording audio from a Roland FP-30 [Re: Keyes] #2551898
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Originally Posted by Keyes
My soundcard is a Sound Blaster Audigy SE and it has a Line in. My motherboard (Which is using RealTek) has a Line in as well As for the user interface, would you be able to elaborate a bit more on that?

Which would you think would provide better quality - a Digital Audio Recorder or a USB Audio Interface? I believe the products I listed above are audio interfaces, please correct me if I'm wrong! Thanks for the replies.


a) the SB Audigy SE is a mystery -- I can't open its "user manual". I _suspect_ that the "line in" is _mono_:

. . . the description doesn't say "stereo" anywhere;

. . . It's described as a gaming soundcard -- the only audio input
. . . it expects is from a monophonic computer-headset mic.

That's too bad -- it supports 24-bit / 96 kHz digital-to-aanalog conversion, which is a good spec. But you need it in the other direction, analog-to-digital.

b) I haven't found any specs for the RealTek hardware.

c) If I were looking for an audio interface, I'd be tempted to get one of the FocusRite interfaces, in spite of their cost. Three reasons:

. . . They have microphone preamps -- you don't need them now,
. . . but you might in the future;

. . . They have their own "low-latency" (short delay) software drivers;

. . . I haven't read many complaints on this forum about them.

Other suggestions made here have been proven to work, as well.

d) There should't be any difference between the audio quality of a digital recorder (driven by its "Line In" jacks) and a computer running recording software, with an audio interface _with equal bit-depth and sampling rate_.

That is, one 24-bit / 48 kHz ADC should work about as well as another. There are people who can hear differences, and some high-end ADC's are _very_ expensive. I don't claim to have "golden ears", to hear such differences.

The irony of all this is that, inside the FP-30, _all audio is digital_ until a very late stage of processing. It would be technically possible (at reasonable cost, I think) to send that audio _digitally_ over the USB-to-computer connection that the FP-30 already has.

. . . But the manufacturers don't do that on most DP's.



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Re: Need help recording audio from a Roland FP-30 [Re: Keyes] #2552376
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Normalise is not that answer, all you're doing there is boosting the low signal up which is why you can hear all the white noise.

There's something wrong with your mixer settings - it would be better to fix it properly rather than applying a sticking plaster afterwards.

What version of Windows are you on? The 'recording' mixer settings are not immediately obvious.


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