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piano concerto orchestration #2549859 06/16/16 08:32 AM
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Hey, i have an idea for a piano concerto, but im not very familiar with orchestration. Could anyone tell me advice?
Also, how many instruments/which ones should i use? Kinda romantic style, maybe orchestration similar to brahms

Also, is there any avaliable to download staff for the piano part, where each hand (both left and right) uses more than 5 lines? I hate to spam suplementary lines in the staff. Around 10 for each side would be nice :p


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Re: piano concerto orchestration [Re: Divinity] #2550528 06/19/16 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Divinity
Hey, i have an idea for a piano concerto, but im not very familiar with orchestration. Could anyone tell me advice?

Buy an orchestration manual like Piston and read it.

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Also, how many instruments/which ones should i use? Kinda romantic style, maybe orchestration similar to brahms

Both of Brahms' piano concertos utilize pairs of flutes, oboes, clarinets, bassoons, and trumpets, four horns, timpani, and strings.

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Also, is there any avaliable to download staff for the piano part, where each hand (both left and right) uses more than 5 lines? I hate to spam suplementary lines in the staff. Around 10 for each side would be nice :p

Piano parts use 5 lines per staff. I assume that by "spam suplementary [sic] lines" you mean use ledger lines. If you find yourself using excessive ledger lines then use 8va markings. Having more than 5 lines in a staff is simply not done.


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Re: piano concerto orchestration [Re: Divinity] #2550635 06/19/16 10:26 PM
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In addition to Walter Piston's book, Orchestration, recommended above, I can recommend two books:

Music Notation
A Manual of Modern Practice
by Gardner Read

Instrumentation and Orchestration
by Alfred Blatter

There are also brief "cheat sheet" type reference works for notation and orchestration, such as the following--

Essential Dictionary of Music Notation
by Tom Gerou and Linda Lusk

--and--

Essential Dictionary of Orchestration
by Tom Gerou and Dave Black

--both by the Alfred Publishing Company

Enjoy yourself.
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Re: piano concerto orchestration [Re: Divinity] #2550708 06/20/16 06:43 AM
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"Having more than 5 lines in a staff is simply not done."

well one can do it, it's is doable, i need to think if i will use it though

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Originally Posted by Divinity
"Having more than 5 lines in a staff is simply not done."

well one can do it, it's is doable, i need to think if i will use it though


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Yes, it is doable to add more lines in a stave, but it is not standard, and would be confusing to a pianist that would play your score. I don't think you would find any pianist here, whatever their level, that would recommend a deviation from the expected practice in notating piano music. You don't want pianists who are scratching their heads rather than playing.

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"I don't think you would find any pianist here, whatever their level, that would recommend a deviation from the expected practice in notating piano music."

aha i know! theres a reason we use this system xD
still, trying new things and inovating is the step for evolution, but ofc was jsut an idea anyway

ty for all replies, if one could just tell me one more thing too: should i write piano then orchestrate at end, or both same time as it goes? i know composers do it both ways, but any recoomendation? maybe pros and cons

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Write a reduction first and then orchestrate.


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Some composers prefer to do it that way, others dont, and I personally wouldn't either. IMHO, timbre is an important parameter that should not be an afterthought. Your mileage may vary, though.


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