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GoPro for Piano Recording #2546552
06/05/16 11:51 AM
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I am looking to video record some of my piano improvisations, and wondered if anyone has any experience with the GoPro who can comment on its audio quality. I am not looking to make professional recordings, but is it passable?


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Re: GoPro for Piano Recording [Re: Aibohphobia] #2546566
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RECORDINGS? no
VIDEO? Most probably, if montaged with other camera angles.

Re: GoPro for Piano Recording [Re: Aibohphobia] #2546590
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If you search YouTube for:
GoPro piano

... you'll find lots of recordings made with them you can compare. Here is one actually posted by GoPro:
https://youtu.be/_N7xQqoAJUc

Re: GoPro for Piano Recording [Re: Aibohphobia] #2546715
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Any done by GoPro will have proper audio recording done with a mic I imagine. Here's one I assume is with GoPro recording audio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9QQuDDmOXc It's probably a bit better audio recording than your average smart phone, but well short of any actual recording microphone setup.

If it's just recording for reference it'll be fine, but don't expect to publish an album with it. And of course don't buy a GoPro just to record piano on, but if you have one around it will work fine for that.

Re: GoPro for Piano Recording [Re: Aibohphobia] #2592707
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I hope this request does not sound silly.

I have a GoPro Hero4, which has a mike input available in it.

Can any of you recommend a simple microphone to be used with it, that would improve recording sound quality for music, yet be easily carried and set up with it? Nothing fussy.

I would like the mike for recording classical piano music, and flute and acoustic grand piano together. Maybe violin or voice??

I tried recording with the flute for the first time today, and the GoPro built in mike did better than I hoped, although I know it is falling off entirely in recording the highest octave of piano notes. (I am impressed with how well the built in mike does work, considering its limitations and purpose.)

Re: GoPro for Piano Recording [Re: Aibohphobia] #2592725
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Alas, it's hard to get a lot better without getting into very fussy stuff, like multiple microphones, and mixers, which then leads you to multi-track recording so you can adjust after it's recorded. Where you put the microphones is the most important thing.

Start by looking at the manual, and find out what kind of input it has, what impedance, what connector. Check the specs of the built-in, particularly the high frequency limit. Then look on the internet for microphones that work with the input you have and do better than the built-in on the high end.



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Re: GoPro for Piano Recording [Re: Aibohphobia] #2592857
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Thanks, John. You tell me what I suspected.

It is puzzling to find all of the info for GoPro, I have discovered, and I don't understand all the technical info. The company naturally concentrates on the video possibilities, and even that can be hard to decipher for specific purposes.

At the moment, I may start by visiting Long and McQuade (Canada)for some advice. The staff there are often knowledgeable, and I see they carry some GOPro stuff.

Re: GoPro for Piano Recording [Re: Aibohphobia] #2592863
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A nice iPad works just fine too.... Have you tried recording with an iPad?


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Re: GoPro for Piano Recording [Re: Aibohphobia] #2592896
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LOL - I sometimes think I am the only one in the world without an iPad.

Re: GoPro for Piano Recording [Re: Aibohphobia] #2592924
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Can you run Audacity or anything like that on an iPad? Does it interface with Focusrite boxes? To do justice to a flute, violin, and piano, that's the direction you'd end up going eventually. If not, it may be a step in the wrong direction.




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Re: GoPro for Piano Recording [Re: Aibohphobia] #2592950
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Audio quality is the question here. Do you care? If no, then anything will work. If yes, then the question is why video? Watching a person playing a piano is like watching a rock. You are trying to make music, so use decent audio recording equipment. If you must absolutely feed your need for cinematographic glory, then record the audio separately from the video. No consumer video device can come close to the most basic audio recording equipment available today.

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Re: GoPro for Piano Recording [Re: JohnSprung] #2592976
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Originally Posted by JohnSprung

Can you run Audacity or anything like that on an iPad? Does it interface with Focusrite boxes? To do justice to a flute, violin, and piano, that's the direction you'd end up going eventually. If not, it may be a step in the wrong direction.




Not Audacity, but iPads work great with Cubasis for multitrack recording; also other multitrack apps are available.
Also, there are many interfaces that allow high-quality audio recording, when paired with decent microphones. I use a Steinberg UR44 with an iPad Air running Cubasis.

Re: GoPro for Piano Recording [Re: Aibohphobia] #2593088
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In addition to the digital capability, I am also very impressed with the audio on my iPad pro. I use it for signal generation - the app I use disables the filters and allows an absolutely flat audio output from 20Hz to 21kHz at a vanishingly small THD of 0.01%. I also have mic calibration files to correct the built in mics for measurement purposes. Apps measuring dBSPL are accurate to about +/- 2dB.

The purchase of physical equipment to do the same job at the same accuracy costs thousands and thousands of dollars, and they are unable to display all my music and do automatic page turning!

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Originally Posted by prout
..., then the question is why video? ....


In this case, it's because the OP already has a GoPro. He just wants to use it as an audio recorder.



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Originally Posted by JohnSprung
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..., then the question is why video? ....


In this case, it's because the OP already has a GoPro. He just wants to use it as an audio recorder.



Well then, he should just record with it. Why would he ask for comments on audio quality if he has already heard recordings with it? He can decide for himself.

As you mentioned before, if one wants really good audio recordings, one must consider the audio chain as separate from the video. Now one can choose mics, mic preamps, audio interfaces, and DAWs.

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He was hoping to do better by plugging a microphone into the GoPro. Alas, that ain't gonna getcha very far....



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For very adequate recrording, the H2n or its equivalent works extremely well and is inexpensive. Don't be put off by the response curve below 100Hz. It is still good enough given that pianos, even concert grands, produce almost no sound below 60Hz.

Re: GoPro for Piano Recording [Re: Aibohphobia] #2593472
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John has the right idea of what I am looking for. I already own a GoPro for other purposes, and wanted something convenient and small to carry in my case if I wanted to make a quick recording to check stuff. The wide angle lens on the GoPro does provide great focus over an area, but not a pretty video for posterity! However, the little recording I have done to date has already shown me and other players bits we want to fix/change in our performance or technique.

I did go into Long and McQuade; the clerk was obviously familiar with what I had, and could have sent me to the right area of the store to get major good recording equipment instead. At his suggestion, I have ordered a tiny Rode mic, inexpensive, which should be easy to use with the camera and might be better than the internal mic sytem on the camera. It may not come quickly, but I'll let you know if it is an improvement once I have used it.

(I do have a friend who has good equipment and is experienced at recording jazz groups, so I have access to that if I want.)


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