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Re: Kids of non-musical parents [Re: INBoston] #2543071
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To encourage my son to practice, we use a reward system. He earns 30 minutes of "PAD" time for practicing piano each day. During the week it's hard for him to use the PAD time but it carries over to the weekends. We've had this same strategy since he started at 6 years old - he's 9 now. I know there are big debates about whether to use rewards but it's what we do.


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Re: Kids of non-musical parents [Re: INBoston] #2543171
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Originally Posted by INBoston
One other technique I've been using is to have them critique my playing and "help" me make it better. They really seem to like that and it motivates them to work on their own pieces.


That works here as well. Also, me playing related chords on either side. But we have a hard time getting our timing right. :-)


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Re: Kids of non-musical parents [Re: Peter K. Mose] #2543327
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Originally Posted by Peter K. Mose

But as Heather says, daily piano practice needs to be part of the basic expected routine for a child. No different than school homework, and perhaps more enjoyable. You can help or encourage, but threats are a lousy idea.

Peter, the biggest reason why threats are a poor idea is that they don't work.

By the way, I still believe in consequences.

If a child is pushed to play from the beginning and does not like playing there is a huge chance it is never going to work. I do not remember being forced to do anything I hated, as child, where I did not stop as soon as I could, and I don't recall saying later: "Gee, I wish I had not stopped."

But there are a lot of kids who WANT lessons and do well at the beginning then suddenly want to quit the first month or week everything doesn't go fantastically well. What do we teach by letting kids always decide to quit anything the moment it gets hard? What do we accomplish ourselves by doing the same thing?

So I think even a child has some responsibility to continue for a reasonable period. Then later that child should also have the right to renegotiate, at the end of the year, at the end of a couple years. Something like that.

Until an agreed upon period is up I think the proper answer to quitting is simply: "No. That's not what we agreed on."


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Re: Kids of non-musical parents [Re: INBoston] #2543513
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^Yep. (I am SO glad they let me quit soccer!)


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Re: Kids of non-musical parents [Re: INBoston] #2543625
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I wish I had been forced/cajoled/bribed to carry on with violin after my one year of playing it in grade 5. But you need a private teacher to make it work, not just a classroom teacher.

Re: Kids of non-musical parents [Re: Peter K. Mose] #2543825
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Originally Posted by Peter K. Mose
I wish I had been forced/cajoled/bribed to carry on with violin after my one year of playing it in grade 5. But you need a private teacher to make it work, not just a classroom teacher.

The only place where learning in a group sometimes work is in a performing group. I learned brass on my own. Never had a lesson until I was in college. That's something that is (or was) very unusual about band programs.


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Re: Kids of non-musical parents [Re: INBoston] #2543869
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My son did school music for flute and did really well. He only took a few months of privates at the end to polish college auditions. The nice part about high school music is you have to practice 2 hours a day because you are in class. Also your peers judge your participation so you can be more motivated work hard to keep your chair.

I think the difference is between making music with friends and being alone playing music. Some people are happier with one over the other.


Re: Kids of non-musical parents [Re: hreichgott] #2543957
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Originally Posted by hreichgott
^Yep. (I am SO glad they let me quit soccer!)


Haha! That's how I feel (sadly) about most sports my parents made me do.


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Re: Kids of non-musical parents [Re: hreichgott] #2543959
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Originally Posted by hreichgott
^Yep. (I am SO glad they let me quit soccer!)


Mind blown.

I predate the era of over-programmed kids. I feel lucky.


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Re: Kids of non-musical parents [Re: Whizbang] #2544340
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I think that giving your children piano lessons is a wonderful gift. But, every child has different talents and interests, and as a parent, you get to a point where nagging becomes a total drag. My oldest daughter was pretty good at the piano but wanted to quit in 7th grade because she was far more interested in dance and was good at it. That was OK with me, although slightly disappointed. Maybe she will take up piano again as an adult and she has a foundation to work from. My younger daughter is a HS freshman and has been taking piano since 1st grade. She has surpassed my older daughter in terms of ability. I have to nag her to practice, unfortunately, but she does not indicate wanting to quit. Does she love the piano? Doesn't seem to be the case. This is a bit hard for me since I loved the piano as a kid and played for fun as well as for serious practice.

Once your kids turn around 12, it is very difficult to control them in terms of telling them what they should like to do or how to spend their time. I think this is harder for adults who play piano and maybe want their kids to love the piano also.



Re: Kids of non-musical parents [Re: INBoston] #2544620
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I would say it depends, some parents who have no musical ability have kids who are great at playing Piano amongst other instruments. I think if a parent has no ability yet LOVES music and is constantly giving positive reinforcement to their child the kid will be great. If music is just another big chore like taking out the trash FORGET IT! I think the love for music is such an under appreciated thing in teaching music.

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