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Why Do Classical Music Competitions Have Age Limits? #2541767
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I made this Youtube video and put the question out to the world to see what people had to say. Feel free to watch and comment.

Why Do Classical Music Competitions Have Age Limits?

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Re: Why Do Classical Music Competitions Have Age Limits? [Re: woolmusic] #2591473
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Well, we can speculate and argue on the reason for that but I would suggest that if you really wish to find out why they do that .... Ask them. Ask 3 or 4 of them and you should get some sort of general feel for the reason for it.

Then you can come back here and tell us.

Good Luck


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Re: Why Do Classical Music Competitions Have Age Limits? [Re: woolmusic] #2617810
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It's a good way of weeding out people. If they didn't, the same people might spend decades going from competition to competition. It's widely accepted that if you haven't become a superstar by your thirties (yes I know), you don't really have any chance of becoming a concert pianist. Most competitions claim to be a stepping stone to a career (yes I know), and they are not particularly interested in someone who made the second round of the Tchaikovsky competition in 1974.

With the Internet, the amateur competitions are gaining a higher profile, and with other career paths available to professional pianists, it's only a matter of time before someone who never made it in her youth gets noticed through her Youtube channel, becoming one of the world's most famous pianists, and landing a deal with Decca. Oh hang on a second...

Re: Why Do Classical Music Competitions Have Age Limits? [Re: woolmusic] #2619589
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This is my question too. It's so unfortunate for adult folks. I didn't have the chance to study any music instrument during my youth because my parents were againsted. I started piano lesson the moment I have my own job and started earning for myself. I would really hope there are piano competitions out there just for adult students. I am not looking into becoming concert pianist. But I just want the experience. I want to be able to play sonatina and equivalent intermediate piece rather than the professional hard pieces currently required out there.


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Re: Why Do Classical Music Competitions Have Age Limits? [Re: pianofan1017] #2620371
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Originally Posted by pianofan1017
This is my question too. It's so unfortunate for adult folks. I didn't have the chance to study any music instrument during my youth because my parents were againsted. I started piano lesson the moment I have my own job and started earning for myself. I would really hope there are piano competitions out there just for adult students. I am not looking into becoming concert pianist. But I just want the experience. I want to be able to play sonatina and equivalent intermediate piece rather than the professional hard pieces currently required out there.


I was one of the lucky ones who had supportive parents and wonderful teachers. I began at age nine ... which is late by some standards. I did the piano competitions and eventually made my way to New York and Juilliard on a Canada Council grant. Which covered my expenses for two years. Being short of money, I crammed as many courses as I could into those two years. Including extra summer courses at city College to get those extra academic credits

But the pressures began to overwhelm me and I had a nervous breakdown at the end of my sescond year. Music scores began to look like foreign hieroglyphs ... and my memory was in shambles. I scraped through that final exam. With mediocre marks.

I never played in public again. I left the West for twenty years in India, where I never touched a piano. When I returned to Canada and the USA ... I began to teach and found I loved it. But playing the piano brought me to tears. I had once been so accomplished and the years had taken their toll. I played snatches for my students and that was it.

Then about four years ago, I discovered You Tube. As a resource rather than mere entertainment. And was stunned by this resource. I could listen to dozens of the world's beat pianists. I could compare and analyze.

I began by posting my own compositions on You Tube and linking them to my two teaching/composition blogs. And discovered that I liked the lack of pressure ... that what had originally been my downfall, had evaporated. It didn't matter if my memory failed ... I'd scrap the clip or if it was sectional, I'd edit.

Then I remembered Glenn Gould who hated public performances ... and even preferred to tape in private. Now it all made sense. Now I could produce a piece of music when it was ready ... not cringing at the possibility of a slip of finger or memory.

My advice is to start with You Tube. Begin with simpler pieces and then post them. Forget about the tensions of competitions and dive into the sheer joy of performing for an audience without the stress. and believe me that stress is so overwhelming it eventually chased me away from my beloved piano for decades. Dive into You Tube. Listen and compare and then take the plunge.

I can almost guarantee you'll love it. laugh yippie

Re: Why Do Classical Music Competitions Have Age Limits? [Re: woolmusic] #2700938
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Just browsing past posts and found yours. I really agree with your comments, TheHappyPianoMuse. What I really enjoy about listening and watching youtube pianists is that you can watch things again and again, and watch the hands so closely (which you can't really at a live recital), and compare so many different styles, accomplishments and levels of playing.

It's also good to post own playing, as you say, because we see it in direct comparison to everyone else and our response to it (cringing or otherwise) is quite honest, I think, and keeps the standards up.

I do play at a couple of very nonthreatening live recitals too. My playing in those is still at the awful stage, but if we could do everything as it should be done, there'd be nothing left to do.

I found and subscribed to your youtube channel. Looking forward to listening to all your playing!


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Re: Why Do Classical Music Competitions Have Age Limits? [Re: johnstaf] #2701048
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Originally Posted by johnstaf
It's a good way of weeding out people. If they didn't, the same people might spend decades going from competition to competition. It's widely accepted that if you haven't become a superstar by your thirties (yes I know), you don't really have any chance of becoming a concert pianist. Most competitions claim to be a stepping stone to a career (yes I know), and they are not particularly interested in someone who made the second round of the Tchaikovsky competition in 1974.

With the Internet, the amateur competitions are gaining a higher profile, and with other career paths available to professional pianists, it's only a matter of time before someone who never made it in her youth gets noticed through her Youtube channel, becoming one of the world's most famous pianists, and landing a deal with Decca. Oh hang on a second...


Like a sort of Susan Boyle of piano, you mean?


"Study Bach: there you will find everything" - Johannes Brahms.
Re: Why Do Classical Music Competitions Have Age Limits? [Re: woolmusic] #2701051
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Well for those who would like the thrill of competing and have that competitive edge, perhaps we could set up a Piano Competition subforum in the recitals part here, where we invite members to submit a piece and we could ask a couple of teachers if they would be kind enough to form a judges panel? Gold silver and bronze virtual medals etc.

The idea fills me, personally speaking, with absolute horror and terror, but each to their own.

I found it extremely hard to "perform" even for a mobile phone video of Silent Night to send to mysisters in England, so many re-starts and takes. Then to compound my misery I did another of Auld Lang Syne for their New Years Eve get-together AND EVEN rounded it off with the closing bars of We wish you a merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

I thought my performances were woeful but my sisters were thrilled to see me playing at my piano in a home they will probably never visit. (One doesnt fly, due to fear, the other has been once in the 90s and that's probably it for her - they are both mid 70s now)

Then I had to work out a way of uploading and transmitting the videos, video compression apps etc, took hours, I was at the point where I wished I had never had the idea in the first place.

Happy New Year everyone and no I am not posting my video on here!

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Originally Posted by Bach_ingMaddie
Originally Posted by johnstaf
It's a good way of weeding out people. If they didn't, the same people might spend decades going from competition to competition. It's widely accepted that if you haven't become a superstar by your thirties (yes I know), you don't really have any chance of becoming a concert pianist. Most competitions claim to be a stepping stone to a career (yes I know), and they are not particularly interested in someone who made the second round of the Tchaikovsky competition in 1974.

With the Internet, the amateur competitions are gaining a higher profile, and with other career paths available to professional pianists, it's only a matter of time before someone who never made it in her youth gets noticed through her Youtube channel, becoming one of the world's most famous pianists, and landing a deal with Decca. Oh hang on a second...


Like a sort of Susan Boyle of piano, you mean?


Like a Valentina lisitsa. 😊


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Re: Why Do Classical Music Competitions Have Age Limits? [Re: TheHappyPianoMuse] #2703147
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Originally Posted by TheHappyPianoMuse
[quote=pianofan1017]My advice is to start with You Tube. Begin with simpler pieces and then post them. Forget about the tensions of competitions and dive into the sheer joy of performing for an audience without the stress. and believe me that stress is so overwhelming it eventually chased me away from my beloved piano for decades. Dive into You Tube. Listen and compare and then take the plunge.

I can almost guarantee you'll love it. laugh yippie


Very interesting story. I started to play piano at 43 (1.5 years ago), I'm using You Tube to show my music to family, friends and anybody tripping over my chanel . I'ts really great fun and it is almost stress free.

Re: Why Do Classical Music Competitions Have Age Limits? [Re: woolmusic] #2705010
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The people who goes to music competitions are young aspiring musicians who are already playing at an advanced level but still considered amateur who are waiting to tour with various symphony orchestras. Some already made a name for themselves without having to enter a competition. Like James Rhodes from England who was a chance discovery in his 30s.

Recently went to a piano recital to see a Canadian pianist Ryan Wang (child prodigy) barely 10 years old. Performed the whole 40m concert from memory with a 10m intermission in between. When he was 5 years old, he won a competition, performed with the great Chinese pianist Yundi Li at a New Year concert in Beijing and appeared on the Ellen show. Even without entering a competition, just being on an American show like Kit Armstrong on the Late Show with David Letterman would give you enough exposure to get you playing with major symphony orchestras. Even being a contestant winner on America's or Britain's Got Talent would get you signed up with a few record labels.

There are amateur pianists who won competitions late in life but decided not to become professional. The name that came to mind was Thomas Yu from Calgary, Canada. He was trained as a medical doctor and plays piano as a hobby. Won a few competitions in his late 30s and performed with a few symphony orchestras while holding on his career as a MD.

Nowadays to get your performance noticed there is YouTube. About 2 months ago someone posted a video of a grandmother at age 100 playing an improvised version of a church hymn. Really impressed the audience.


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