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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Kbeaumont] #2549075
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For what it's worth, I think their policy is wrong. I think they should just release one instrument without some of the tweaking people forget about after the first hour... at a far cheaper price


Well that pretty much describes "Stage" which I think is an excellent value. An iPad & Android version with just one instrument for $19.99 and in app purchases of additional instruments would sell a lot more than the desktop versions!



Even "Stage" (which I own) has several different modelled pianos. And I suspect it needs more CPU speed than most iPads, and Android devices, offer.

It's not "consumer electronics", or mass-market software. Most beginning piano students won't be interested. Few customers, and substantial development costs, lead to its high price (relative to typical iPad / Android apps).

I'm sure Modartt would be happy to have millions of customers, and lower prices.



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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Kbeaumont] #2549113
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Originally Posted by Kbeaumont
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For what it's worth, I think their policy is wrong. I think they should just release one instrument without some of the tweaking people forget about after the first hour... at a far cheaper price


Well that pretty much describes "Stage" which I think is an excellent value. An iPad & Android version with just one instrument for $19.99 and in app purchases of additional instruments would sell a lot more than the desktop versions!


Ah, no, you failed to grasp my point that I was interested in the instruments and not in the tweaks. Why would I be interested in the tweaks? Pianoteq lets me do things I would never bother to in real life- changing the length of the strings, the hardness of the hammers, the position of the hammers, aliquot strings, blah. Cute if I'm a nerd, but no more. I'm only interested in a piano simulator with a low resource overhead, not a build-a-piano simulator. I think this is a case of the mathematicians who designed this not seeing the wood for the trees. They might be very proud of how they've modelled these things, but it simply means little to me.
I'd rather have the option of one instrument I wanted than 2 tweakable instruments I don't want for 100 euro and then instrument packs on top.
Say I have a DP I already play in various tunings in hardware but want something with a seamless touch response rather than 4-levels of samples. I can turn to Pianoteq, but I get instruments I don't want, and features I don't want, for a bit too much money for just some relief from my hardware piano. It's not nimble and flexible enough as a product to me.
What may be playing on Modartt's mind about not releasing a mobile app is that what they have is something potentially unique in the studio for professional recording artists that has remained uncracked only due to its obscurity.

Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Pete14] #2549115
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They could sell it for 50 USD (stage) on iPad, people interested in this kind of apps will expend the money. It is not a rare price for "pro" music apps.

Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Clavier_watcher] #2549140
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Originally Posted by Clavier_watcher
Ah, no, you failed to grasp my point that I was interested in the instruments and not in the tweaks. Why would I be interested in the tweaks? Pianoteq lets me do things I would never bother to in real life- changing the length of the strings, the hardness of the hammers, the position of the hammers, aliquot strings, blah. Cute if I'm a nerd, but no more. I'm only interested in a piano simulator with a low resource overhead, not a build-a-piano simulator. I think this is a case of the mathematicians who designed this not seeing the wood for the trees. They might be very proud of how they've modelled these things, but it simply means little to me.

Though I was never able to get a likable sound out of the Stage version.

Only the Standard version, which made the adjustments accessible and allows loading full user presets, allowed me finding a decent setting.

Otherwise I agree with you, we are here to play piano, not to become a piano technician.


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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Pete14] #2549198
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There is very little you can tweak in the Stage version. Reverb, volume & eq pretty much the same as my FA-08.


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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Kbeaumont] #2549216
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Originally Posted by Kbeaumont
There is very little you can tweak in the Stage version. Reverb, volume & eq pretty much the same as my FA-08.


Plus:

Velocity curve
Dynamic Range
Pedal assignments
Damping Duration
Key Release Noise
Sustain Pedal Noise




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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Pete14] #2664820
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Was thinking if there was any reason to put 30% discount for standard Pianoteq 5

Had a quick play with MS excel using data on PT's website about updates: proves nothing, but suggests it won't be long before Pianoteq 6 is released!

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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Pete14] #2664823
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Yes, it is now SUMMER in the northern hemisphere.

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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Pete14] #2664828
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Measuring the time from the last change (eight months), conclusion is that version 5.81 is the last in version 5. Now we are guessing, fall or winter, maybe spring ?

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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: slobajudge] #2664837
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Originally Posted by slobajudge
Measuring the time from the last change (eight months), conclusion is that version 5.81 is the last in version 5. Now we are guessing, fall or winter, maybe spring ?


Release dates of Pianoteq versions 3, 4, and 5 have been February, April, and May.

I suspect due to the increasing number of instruments within the pianoteq brand, it will progressively take longer and longer to prepare the next versions.


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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Pete14] #2664857
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Probably, this is what I`m afraid of, but one step at the time, we are here now and Pianoteq 6 is close, I can not wait smile

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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Pete14] #2664870
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I love Pianoteq (I have 5 Standard) - but somehow find the tone and sound of my daughters FP-30 more satisfying

Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Pete14] #2664898
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It's been over a year since I read that. Somebody was even betting on another thread it was going to be just another couple of months.
No version 6 yet. This is just the usual summer discount, and discounting before the new release doesn't make any sense in Pianoteq's case, because AFAIK they're offering free upgrading even for major version changes within 1 year from purchasing.
Anyway, I'm waiting with great interest for the new version. Still haven't decided if PT or CFX is the way to go. But I cannot try and see if the CFX's playability mimics a real piano close enough (though the sound seems flawless).

Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Pete14] #2664915
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It may take a while indeed. Since you're in doubt between the CFX and PT, I recommend the CFX for sound and perhaps even playability (if your system is fast enough). I own both PT and the CFX, and personally I think PT still sounds a bit fake if you compare it to sampled pianos. However, the Blüthner comes pretty close to the real deal.

Can't wait for version 6! Who knows I will completely switch to PT.

Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: jefinho] #2664920
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Originally Posted by jefinho
Since you're in doubt between the CFX and PT, I recommend the CFX for sound and perhaps even playability (if your system is fast enough). I own both PT and the CFX, and personally I think PT still sounds a bit fake if you compare it to sampled pianos.

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CFX is as playable as Pianoteq and as shocking as it might sound to some people, I actually find CFX more playable than Pianoteq. It’s been reiterated many times how modeled pianos are very playable while sampled are not but I think to some degree it’s an oversimplification. Playable means you’re in control of the instrument, you get inspired playing it and you have desire to play more. Well, I get that with CFX and not with Pianoteq.

Originally Posted by jefinho
Can't wait for version 6! Who knows I will completely switch to PT.

I’ve been telling this myself for the last 5 years and versions... I am losing faith already.


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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Pete14] #2664923
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Pianoteq is simply not worth the price they ask, even with the discount.

It's a $50 package IMHO. Frankly you get two pianos, the Steinway D and the Kawai. I can't stand the sound of the K2 no matter what I do with it. The Steinway has about 2 settings that sound good to me. Frankly, you get one usable piano for $319.

Who cares if you can manipulate it to death. I just want a single awesome sounding piano that is easy to play. There's many good sampled pianos that do just that for far less.

Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: CyberGene] #2664925
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
It’s been reiterated many times how modeled pianos are very playable while sampled are not but I think to some degree it’s an oversimplification. Playable means you’re in control of the instrument, you get inspired playing it and you have desire to play more. Well, I get that with CFX and not with Pianoteq.

That's exactly my view. I think most PT users, particularly beginners, would be surprised at how 'unplayable' they would find most APs. When I hear a PT performance I hear a sound which is uncontroversial, easy to manipulate, unexciting, almost invariably smoothed over with gobs of reverb - audio's most effective sticking plaster. And that's aside from its shortcomings in failing to achieve realism. A decent upright/grand has a characterful sound which is not always so easy to tame, not as 'playable' as one might hope. The better sample libraries get remarkably close, even if that entails having to develop the technique/s to get the best out of them.

I'm also suspicious of a retail model which tempts the 'completist' into buying - at very high cost - all the accessories in the expectation that therein lies the rainbow's end.

Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Fscotte] #2664935
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Originally Posted by Fscotte
Pianoteq is simply not worth the price they ask, even with the discount.

It's a $50 package IMHO. Frankly you get two pianos, the Steinway D and the Kawai. I can't stand the sound of the K2 no matter what I do with it. The Steinway has about 2 settings that sound good to me. Frankly, you get one usable piano for $319.

Who cares if you can manipulate it to death. I just want a single awesome sounding piano that is easy to play. There's many good sampled pianos that do just that for far less.

You can get the Stage version for €99. What you're buying is really a platform, rather than a specific piano sound.

I agree that the included pianos D4 and K2 are not much good, but you also get a whole load of historical pianos and various other instruments for free. The Grotrian and Bluethner packs at €49 each are a lot better, and very enjoyable.

Also the Pianoteq standalone software is much better than any other software piano out there.


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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Pete14] #2664946
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If you're referring to the PT user interface ... yes, it's quite good in ways that many others are weak and hard to use.

PT's interface is also overblown. There are far too many irrelevant adjustments. Fortunately most can be hidden.

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Maybe I am naive. I am looking forward to Pianoteq 6. I enjoy Pianoteq.

Based on these comments, I question what I hear. When I come home from
my lesson on a Steinway, the D4 sounds just like the one I left. Is this
foolery?

I also find that Pianoteq is not easy to tame at all. The Yamaha digital I had
and my current Kawai MP11 are so much easier to play than Pianoteq.

But you guys are the experts in dealing with piano sounds. Every time
Pianoteq comes up, I question my reality. I really don't know.


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