Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.7 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
Find a Professional
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Advertise on Piano World

(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Who's Online Now
127 registered members (AnthonyPaulO, APassionatePianist, akin, atcsam, anotherscott, Alex Hutor, agraffe, AZNpiano, 36251, 30 invisible), 1,674 guests, and 3 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Grado vs Sennheiser HD598 for The Grandeur #2533553
04/24/16 05:19 PM
04/24/16 05:19 PM
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 922
Trinidad and Tobago
M
Mta88 Offline OP
500 Post Club Member
Mta88  Offline OP
500 Post Club Member
M

Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 922
Trinidad and Tobago


ok so i'm not sure if i ever asked this before in any other forums so forgive me if i did..

I just wanted to know which one would be more suited for software pianos.

The contenders are the Grado SR80e vs Sennheiser HD598

I'm currently using the audio techinca ATHm50 headphones but i desire an open back design for better soundstage and more realism ..

Any help will be greatly appreciated guys..

Thanks..

Cheers laugh laugh laugh



::Yamaha p105::Rokit 6 G3 Studio Monitors::Presonus USB Audiobox:: Audio Technica ATH-M50 Studio Monitor Headphones::

::Kayserburg UH 132 Royal Vertical::
(ad) ROLAND

Click Here

Re: Grado vs Sennheiser HD598 for The Grandeur [Re: Mta88] #2533571
04/24/16 07:22 PM
04/24/16 07:22 PM
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,445
UK
A
Alexander Borro Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Alexander Borro  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
A

Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,445
UK
I'd go for the sennheiser personally, but since this is so subjective I would buy from something like amazon with return policy and try it out.

Soundstage, since that is one of your objectives is more spacious than the grado ( but also more distant sounding ).

I owned sr80 quite while ago now, I did not own the grandeur at the time, that being said the sr80e worked very nicely with ivory American and a bit of EQ to lift bass slightly, sr80 bass response really rolls off strongly below about 80 Hz.

Some other things that come to mind as to why I say this:
Comfort, 598 wins easily with full over ear comfy pads versus on ear pads that ( in my case make my ears itch in about 30 minutes )

bass response, 598 wins again, not as good or as far extended as the m50 you own, but decent enough for an open back and for piano use IMO.

While the sr80 is more detailed and forward sounding, personally I don't think this is that important for this application, but... YMMV and opinions will vary as to what appeals here.

Also, the m50 you own, are cleaner more detailed sounding than the 598, The 598 is not a really a detail lovers headphone compared to that model either, I always say, it's there to sort of please the ear, and on the warmer, smooth sounding and natural side of the listening spectrum, not the type of thing to analyse mixes or used for reference listening in studios.

Listening fatique at higher volumes, as one is likely to do with a piano for realistic response, the 598 wins easily due to its laid back sound presentation.

on the other side. If you like the sound signature of the m50 ( minus the soundstage ) with the grandeur, since it is quite forward sounding phone, and not that flat, and somewhat more aggressive sounding, you will find the grandeur will sound darker and more distant to you compared to that what you are used to on the 598, that may be something you end up liking or come as a bit of a shock initially. Some say, it is a bit veiled or muffed, call it what you will smile..

In that sense, the piano sound you'll get out of the sr80e will be somewhat closer to the athm50 in that it is brighter sounding out of the box too (but with a lot of the bass rolled off in the case of the grado) the sound stage in the sr80 will be an improvement over the ath50 however.

Of course grandeur comes with basic settings you can fiddle to your content, you can always tweak a bit to brighten things up a bit, tweak stereo width and so on ..

For me anyway, overall, personally this would be an easy enough choice, 598 wins this battle, in particular if you intend to use them for a bit more general use/listening as well, it is a better all-rounder IMHO, but, In Europe at least it costs more too, so there is that to consider, how wide is the wallet laugh

One of the reason I like owning both the ath50x and 598 is that they are sort of opposites in many ways, so you are going for something that is a quite different from what you have in terms of sound presentation. I own both to this day and like them very much, BUT, for different reasons. In my case, for pianos however I rarely us the m50x nowadays, the 598 is the weapon of choice for me usually out of that pick .. BUT .. I emphasize that tastes are personal, after all, we all like different piano sounds too around here.

Have fun smile

Last edited by Alexander Borro; 04/24/16 07:29 PM.

Selftaught since June 2014.
Books: Barratt classic piano course bk 1,2,3. Humphries Piano handbook, various...
Kawai CA78, Casio AP450 & software pianos.
[Linked Image] 12x ABF recitals.
My struggles: https://soundcloud.com/alexander-borro
Re: Grado vs Sennheiser HD598 for The Grandeur [Re: Alexander Borro] #2533589
04/24/16 08:26 PM
04/24/16 08:26 PM
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 306
Aberdeen, UK
R
RichieBill Online content
Full Member
RichieBill  Online Content
Full Member
R

Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 306
Aberdeen, UK
I had HD598 - it has very comfortable pads and wide stereo, but for me sounds, like behind the courtain - I sold it. Now I'm using ATH-M50X, which are not comfortable like Senh's but I like the realism of the sound which is very close.
I had also AKG K550 - nice and sweet sound in medium frequencies but a bit lack of bass for me.
I don't know Grados.


Roland FP-30 | Synthogy Ivory II GP | Production Voices CG | Dexed | Yamaha Reface CP | Zoom MS-70CDR | Reaper | Neumann KH120 | Mackie Big Knob Passive | DT-990 pro | ATH-M50X | UiiSii CM5
Re: Grado vs Sennheiser HD598 for The Grandeur [Re: Mta88] #2533651
04/25/16 12:25 AM
04/25/16 12:25 AM
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 568
S
slobajudge Offline
500 Post Club Member
slobajudge  Offline
500 Post Club Member
S

Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 568
I have also ATH close back headphones and Yamaha hph 200p. Yamaha is similar to Grado sr80, also open back design and similar looks. If you dont need noise canceling, or it is not important to much for you, then I will go with Grado. I love my Yamaha more then ATH, and it sound beautiful for piano. The open back design just feels more natural with no pressure for ears.

Last edited by slobajudge; 04/25/16 12:28 AM.
(ad)
Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
Re: Grado vs Sennheiser HD598 for The Grandeur [Re: Mta88] #2533664
04/25/16 01:32 AM
04/25/16 01:32 AM
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 922
Trinidad and Tobago
M
Mta88 Offline OP
500 Post Club Member
Mta88  Offline OP
500 Post Club Member
M

Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 922
Trinidad and Tobago
Wow.... thanks for the detailed responses...

I think i'm gonna go for the HD598.

I don't particularly like the revealing nature of the ATHm50s... i would prefer to have a headphones for more casual listening .

Thanks again.. I think i'm already sold on the HD598...


cheers.. I'll keep you guys in the loop..



::Yamaha p105::Rokit 6 G3 Studio Monitors::Presonus USB Audiobox:: Audio Technica ATH-M50 Studio Monitor Headphones::

::Kayserburg UH 132 Royal Vertical::
Re: Grado vs Sennheiser HD598 for The Grandeur [Re: Mta88] #2533732
04/25/16 09:05 AM
04/25/16 09:05 AM
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 922
Trinidad and Tobago
M
Mta88 Offline OP
500 Post Club Member
Mta88  Offline OP
500 Post Club Member
M

Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 922
Trinidad and Tobago
Quick question... due to the open ear design. Would the hd598 sound more realistic than a my KRK to kit 6 studio monitors?

I've been told that headphones are more accurate and superior to speakers.

And I've been told the opposite as well..

Still trying to decide whether I want to invest in a new pair of headphones like the hd598 or purchase the American ivory d frok synthogy.

I'm quite happy with the grandeur but ivory d does seem to have something uniquely appealing to it. I fell in love with the demos.

On the other hand I'm thinking the hd598 would greatly enhance my current software piano lineup with its laid back sweet sound signature compared to my studio monitor speakers or studio headphones.


Any advice guys ?


::Yamaha p105::Rokit 6 G3 Studio Monitors::Presonus USB Audiobox:: Audio Technica ATH-M50 Studio Monitor Headphones::

::Kayserburg UH 132 Royal Vertical::
Re: Grado vs Sennheiser HD598 for The Grandeur [Re: Mta88] #2534468
04/27/16 01:13 PM
04/27/16 01:13 PM
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 568
S
slobajudge Offline
500 Post Club Member
slobajudge  Offline
500 Post Club Member
S

Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 568
1. For serious work studio monitors speakers are number one and must have. But there is a time and place for headphones too. For home work but also in studio, with lots of noises (if exist), people, to listen some instrument in silence, etc, headphones are also must have. It is the best to have them both, but if any limitation exist, you must decide counting all that matters. For example, in my home, headphones are number one, I just dont have that comfort to play and listen in silence my speakers with children running around, wife watching tv, etc.
2.If you dont have it go for better headphones instead of Ivory, if you have some other good piano vst. My Ivory American collecting dust at the moment, but good headphones never.

Last edited by slobajudge; 04/27/16 03:28 PM.
Re: Grado vs Sennheiser HD598 for The Grandeur [Re: RichieBill] #2535034
04/29/16 02:21 AM
04/29/16 02:21 AM
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 3
L
l.blissett Offline
Junior Member
l.blissett  Offline
Junior Member
L

Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 3
Originally Posted by rychubil
I had HD598 - it has very comfortable pads and wide stereo, but for me sounds, like behind the courtain - I sold it.


I felt the same with dhe HD598. You definately have good sound with them, but if you compare them e.g. with die BD 990 Edition they really feel like they were somehow too far away from your ear. Unfortunately than, the BD 990 are just to bright in the trebles to feel comfortable with playing higher keys in vsts. Maybe i check out the BD 880, if they are less painful in the ear for some notes. Anybody using them here?

But apart from that, go for good Headphones. They are certainly a must have!

Re: Grado vs Sennheiser HD598 for The Grandeur [Re: Mta88] #2535140
04/29/16 10:25 AM
04/29/16 10:25 AM
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 922
Trinidad and Tobago
M
Mta88 Offline OP
500 Post Club Member
Mta88  Offline OP
500 Post Club Member
M

Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 922
Trinidad and Tobago
ok great.. I'm gonna pull the trigger on the HD598... I'll treat myself to my upcoming birthday laugh laugh laugh

cheers guys..

Thanks again for all the input.

if there are any suggestions other than the HD598 for piano VSTs by all means.

Let me know smile



::Yamaha p105::Rokit 6 G3 Studio Monitors::Presonus USB Audiobox:: Audio Technica ATH-M50 Studio Monitor Headphones::

::Kayserburg UH 132 Royal Vertical::
Re: Grado vs Sennheiser HD598 for The Grandeur [Re: Mta88] #2535152
04/29/16 10:55 AM
04/29/16 10:55 AM
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 533
B
Beakybird Offline
500 Post Club Member
Beakybird  Offline
500 Post Club Member
B

Joined: May 2014
Posts: 533
I recently bought the HiFiman HE400S which, if you Google it, is getting rave reviews among audiophiles for best open headphone under $400, and under $500. I bought a brand new pair for $259. I did need an extension for the 5' cable it comes with in order to play piano.

I'm deciding between this and my Sennheiser HD650, and I'm leaning towards the HiFiman.

When I was comparing headphones for piano, the HD598's did not deliver sufficient bass for my tastes. You might be able to correct this with EQ however.

The headphone market is very confusing, and I hope I haven't added to it.


Roland FP-90; Pianoteq 6 + many add-ons; 2 Yamaha HS8s; ATH-M50X and Samson SR850 headphones; Xenyx Q802USB interface. 2; I make a living playing a Yamaha PSR-S970 with FBT Maxx 2a's, Crowne Headset Mic. I also play guitar.
Re: Grado vs Sennheiser HD598 for The Grandeur [Re: Mta88] #2535185
04/29/16 01:20 PM
04/29/16 01:20 PM
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 306
Aberdeen, UK
R
RichieBill Online content
Full Member
RichieBill  Online Content
Full Member
R

Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 306
Aberdeen, UK
Open headphones - Philips Fidelio X1 or X2. Very comfortable for long listening, only 32-Ohm, pure sound.
Personally I think about it for future.


Roland FP-30 | Synthogy Ivory II GP | Production Voices CG | Dexed | Yamaha Reface CP | Zoom MS-70CDR | Reaper | Neumann KH120 | Mackie Big Knob Passive | DT-990 pro | ATH-M50X | UiiSii CM5
Re: Grado vs Sennheiser HD598 for The Grandeur [Re: Mta88] #2535217
04/29/16 03:15 PM
04/29/16 03:15 PM
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 922
Trinidad and Tobago
M
Mta88 Offline OP
500 Post Club Member
Mta88  Offline OP
500 Post Club Member
M

Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 922
Trinidad and Tobago
hmmm.. the hifiman is a bit out of my price range.. but I can consider it for the future..

I'm not really looking for something completely neutral or flat because I have the ath m50s for that..

More looking for something that has a nice sound stage and offers an amazing piano sound.. but not too coloured.. not too bassy to make the piano sound boomy.. something crystal and clear but not bright to the point where it fatigues your ears.

I know its very subjective. I believe the hd598 fits the bill tho..

thanks again for all the suggestions.

Cheers


::Yamaha p105::Rokit 6 G3 Studio Monitors::Presonus USB Audiobox:: Audio Technica ATH-M50 Studio Monitor Headphones::

::Kayserburg UH 132 Royal Vertical::
Re: Grado vs Sennheiser HD598 for The Grandeur [Re: Mta88] #2535238
04/29/16 04:47 PM
04/29/16 04:47 PM
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 306
Aberdeen, UK
R
RichieBill Online content
Full Member
RichieBill  Online Content
Full Member
R

Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 306
Aberdeen, UK
Not too bassy and not too bright is AKG K550. Nice and warm middle freq. I had one but for me was a bit lack of bass. Maybe it fits to you (?)


Roland FP-30 | Synthogy Ivory II GP | Production Voices CG | Dexed | Yamaha Reface CP | Zoom MS-70CDR | Reaper | Neumann KH120 | Mackie Big Knob Passive | DT-990 pro | ATH-M50X | UiiSii CM5
Re: Grado vs Sennheiser HD598 for The Grandeur [Re: Mta88] #2535407
04/30/16 08:52 AM
04/30/16 08:52 AM
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 922
Trinidad and Tobago
M
Mta88 Offline OP
500 Post Club Member
Mta88  Offline OP
500 Post Club Member
M

Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 922
Trinidad and Tobago
so many options. sigh..


If only i can try before i buy..


This is not an option where i live.. which is why i rely heavily on research and forums like this..



::Yamaha p105::Rokit 6 G3 Studio Monitors::Presonus USB Audiobox:: Audio Technica ATH-M50 Studio Monitor Headphones::

::Kayserburg UH 132 Royal Vertical::
Re: Grado vs Sennheiser HD598 for The Grandeur [Re: Mta88] #2537484
05/07/16 10:03 AM
05/07/16 10:03 AM
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 59
M
Messiah Offline
Full Member
Messiah  Offline
Full Member
M

Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 59
I would get neither, save a bit more and get the HD-600 or HD-650 sennheisers and you will have headphones that will blow your mind and ears in sound quality. Spare parts for almost the whole headphone, cord, cups, the headbracket, the head foam, the grate on the side and so on. It's ridiculously nice and since the cord can be replaced there are other companies producing super nice cables for it to enhance the sound even more.

Here for instance some examples for HD-600 but many Sennheiser models have spare parts like this.

Headbracket
http://headparts.se//product_info.php/cPath/23/products_id/201/osCsid/sjfhod03122hkni2h916am0rk7

Ear pads
http://headparts.se//product_info.php/cPath/31/products_id/113/osCsid/sjfhod03122hkni2h916am0rk7


Headphone driver (if it ever comes to that)
http://headparts.se//product_info.php/cPath/32/products_id/350/osCsid/sjfhod03122hkni2h916am0rk7

Replacement cable (the most important replacement, I have had my HD-600 for 16 years now and have replaced 2 cables so far, using the 3rd at the moment)
http://headparts.se//product_info.php/cPath/33/products_id/243/osCsid/sjfhod03122hkni2h916am0rk7

The grated outer cup
http://headparts.se//product_info.php/cPath/30/products_id/293/osCsid/sjfhod03122hkni2h916am0rk7

Top bracket foam
http://headparts.se//product_info.php/cPath/31/products_id/119/osCsid/sjfhod03122hkni2h916am0rk7

The list goes on and on, but they never break and when they do break it's the cable because you pull them accidentally but that happens to all headphones. You pay for quality and quality is what you get but mostly in the higher range. I haven't really liked the lower priced Sennheisers, quite uncomfy many models and canny sound, they really shine when they come up around HD-600 and beyond. I never tried the HD-650 but they say they are great. But some say for a studio environement the HD-600 might be more honest and straight in their reproduction of the frequencies without coloring anything. If you Hi-Fi listen and play piano you don't really mind that so then HD-650 might be a good choice. But I have seen some have the HD-650 in studios also so it might just be a myth floating around, don't take my word for it.

HD-600 is highly recommended by me, first time you put them on you feel like you have just been seduced by 2 angels who squeeze their soft butts on your head and out comes angelic music with super crisp detail.


Re: Grado vs Sennheiser HD598 for The Grandeur [Re: Messiah] #2537496
05/07/16 11:02 AM
05/07/16 11:02 AM
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 155
Boston/Cambridge
F
Fleer Offline
Full Member
Fleer  Offline
Full Member
F

Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 155
Boston/Cambridge
Originally Posted by Messiah


feel like you have just been seduced by 2 angels who squeeze their soft butts on your head and out comes angelic music with super crisp detail.


Interesting figure of speech, Messiah grin

Re: Grado vs Sennheiser HD598 for The Grandeur [Re: Mta88] #2537533
05/07/16 01:56 PM
05/07/16 01:56 PM
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 306
Aberdeen, UK
R
RichieBill Online content
Full Member
RichieBill  Online Content
Full Member
R

Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 306
Aberdeen, UK
I don't think that HD600/650 is a good solution for piano. These headphones need amplifier, because ther is high impedance. Another one problem is, to find really good synergy between headphones and amplifier. HD600/650 are better for audiophile listening.
I would recommend lower impendance headphones (32-60 Ohm).


Roland FP-30 | Synthogy Ivory II GP | Production Voices CG | Dexed | Yamaha Reface CP | Zoom MS-70CDR | Reaper | Neumann KH120 | Mackie Big Knob Passive | DT-990 pro | ATH-M50X | UiiSii CM5
Re: Grado vs Sennheiser HD598 for The Grandeur [Re: RichieBill] #2538245
05/09/16 08:04 PM
05/09/16 08:04 PM
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 59
M
Messiah Offline
Full Member
Messiah  Offline
Full Member
M

Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 59
Originally Posted by rychubil
I don't think that HD600/650 is a good solution for piano. These headphones need amplifier, because ther is high impedance. Another one problem is, to find really good synergy between headphones and amplifier. HD600/650 are better for audiophile listening.
I would recommend lower impendance headphones (32-60 Ohm).


Well most DP's have an headphone amp built in, I haven't noticed that they are hard to drive, sure the CLP might not have given the loudest sound but the Kawai CA-67 I had at home was fine, it was actually amazing. And when I try the Roland the sound is loud and clear so no problem there either. Tried both on LX-7 and HP-605. The sound is ok on the Yamaha it just don't go as loud, I could have the volume on max and that was enough but then you can't go louder if you want. With the Roland 65-75% is more than enough for me.

I still recommend them because they do sound and feel great, I haven't tried any better and I have tried some including some Beyer Dynamics, Grado, AKG's and so on. I own the ATH-M50X myself and they are overly bassy even if that is cool and all for some music but I just can't stand how uncomfortable they are. When people say they are comfortable I almost laugh out loud, those people clearly haven't tried comfy headphones. You get warm and they get sweaty and sticky, they squeeze on the ears quite hard and help with giving a headache quite fast. The Sennheisers I could probably wear all day and not even know I have them on my head. And not to forget I barely used my ATM and yet they are already getting rugged in the fake leather stuff, crap quality on those earpads.

Last edited by Messiah; 05/09/16 08:05 PM.

Moderated by  Piano World 

Shop Our Online Store!
Shop Our Store Online
Shop PianoSupplies.com

Did you know Piano World has an online store, and that it's loaded with goodies pianists and music lovers want?
Check it out and place your order.

Special Purchase!
Keyboard and Roses Piano Bench Cushion Keyboard & Roses 14"x30" piano bench cushions Regularly sold for $79 to $100, now only $39. (while supplies last)

(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq Bechstein
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways
New Topics - Multiple Forums
How much is this piano worth
by humble_pianist. 03/25/19 05:49 PM
Help Identify Music
by Shinobi. 03/25/19 04:54 PM
Help Identify Music
by Shinobi. 03/25/19 04:50 PM
What's Hot!!
PIANO TEACHERS Please read this!
-------------------
European Tour for Piano Lovers
JOIN US FOR THE TOUR!
--------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
Forum Statistics
Forums41
Topics191,127
Posts2,810,823
Members92,875
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

Sweetwater

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2019 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.2