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New piano action settling? #2537171
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I have a Renner action in my new piano. Is there a running-in period for action pivots. Do they slacken or tighten over say the first month playing?

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Re: New piano action settling? [Re: Beemer] #2537321
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Action pivots? That's a new one for me!!


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Re: New piano action settling? [Re: Beemer] #2537358
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The action centers (center pins, center pin bushings ) might free up a little with a few weeks playing, but not much. Why do you ask? Are you having some problem that you are attributing to tight centers?


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Re: New piano action settling? [Re: Beemer] #2537378
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I don't think the pinning will change, but other felts will compress over time.


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Re: New piano action settling? [Re: Beemer] #2537382
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If the piano was worn in by a machine, I would not expect much change. What would change on an upright might be some relaxing of the springs.


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When there were more pianos around it was common knowledge that a piano should be played on order to help maintain its' playing condition. A more sensitive tuner, even one who doesn't really play the instrument can tell if a piano they regularly tune hasn't been played recently.

Apart from this, the atmosphere that the piano is kept in also has a large effect on the feel of the piano to those who pay attention to these things. Even small daily changes back and forth are noticed by those who play often and regularly. Finer pianos with finer adjustments will appear to respond to atmospheric changes more noticeably to those attuned to such phenomena.

A piano does "play in", felts, cloths and bearing points, etc. compact and change the feel. Also, some change can be attributed to the pianist getting more familiar with the instrument.

A very lightly played piano will, of course, change hardly at all in this respect compared to one that is continually played heavily.

Some pianists can tell if another has been playing their piano for any length of time.

There are other parameters that come into play but these are the most noticeable.


Amanda Reckonwith
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Re: New piano action settling? [Re: accordeur] #2537439
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Originally Posted by accordeur
Action pivots? That's a new one for me!!


Semantics were never my thing although I did enjoy reading my thread Pinblock or Wrest Plank

Quote from the Piano Blue Book:

"Every pivot in a piano action must do this and they do it because these moving parts are held in a circle of specially made material called bushing cloth. Action hinges or pivots are made by boring holes in wooden parts, lining the holes with this bushing cloth, then connecting the adjoining parts with German Silver center pins which will rotate in these cloth bearings virtually without attrition unless exposed to the most abnormal climatic conditions"

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Re: New piano action settling? [Re: Bill Schneider] #2537443
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Originally Posted by Bill Schneider
The action centers (center pins, center pin bushings ) might free up a little with a few weeks playing, but not much. Why do you ask? Are you having some problem that you are attributing to tight centers?


Bill,

Not a problem with the new piano. Its just that my hands get tired and I have permanently painful first joints due to arthritis.

Ian


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Re: New piano action settling? [Re: Beemer] #2537675
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Ian

I suppose you know all the piano playing tricks of wrist action, arm weight etc. to relieve stress on the fingers themselves. Finding the right bench height can help too. I wish you the best enjoyment of your new piano.

Bill


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