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Re: Duane Shinn 52 Week Crash Course [Re: David B] #2620678
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Originally Posted by David B
I finished lesson 9 and will be starting lesson 10 this week. Here is an arrangement of a hymn from lesson 8 (I love the hymns) in which I have found a way to work in all the techniques covered by Duane through lesson 9. It has Alberti bass (which was new to me), stride rhythm in the left hand, a walk up, and contrary movement. The piano sound is my new Ravenscroft 275. I can't wait to start lesson 10. Duane keeps giving a preview of what we'll be learning and it makes me wish I had eight hours a day to practice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbxT-oQGoNU

God Bless,
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Hi David,

I must say .... You are doing very well with this course.

If you keep at it in the focused manner which you apparently have you are going to get your money's worth from this course.

That sounded very, very good and near professional level.

Bravo !!!!!!!!!!!



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Re: Duane Shinn 52 Week Crash Course [Re: David B] #2620754
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You are doing well, David
I will see if I can work on this in parallel with the other stuff I'm doing.
My idea is to vocalize at the same time, learning each song away from the sheet music, and work it up to tempo.
I'm no singer, so far anyway. But belting out the tune at the same time should be good for ear training. I don't have to worry if somebody is listening, so I can totally let go.
I started arbitrarily on "Faith Of Our Fathers", since that was discussed recently.
Just doing held chords while learning the structure first. But I find that some of the chord changes at tempo, are not as smooth as they ought to be.
So doing some work on that first.
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Originally Posted by dmd


That sounded very, very good and near professional level.



Thank you for the kind affirmation. I did laugh out loud when I read the quote above. laugh

I painfully regret not learning to play the piano as a child. Now as an adult learner I have to spend so much time learning just the basics. That's why I laughed when I read "professional" while thinking about how challenging it was for me to learn the Alberti pattern, or the molasses like pace I have to take while reading the single note melody songs in the books that accompany this course.

However, I do feel more like a piano player after 9 lessons of Duane's course than I did after 28 lessons of the Learn & Master course. At least with Duane's course I'm learning complete songs and getting the opportunity to apply the techniques he is teaching to the songs. The L&M series never did that. You would learn a technique and then move on never getting a chance to develop it. At the end of the course I felt like all I could do was play a few riffs in different styles.

So much to learn. I hope I can live long enough to get past the basics and play beautiful music that speaks to my heart. Thanks again for the kind response.

God Bless,
David

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Originally Posted by David B
So much to learn. I hope I can live long enough to get past the basics and play beautiful music that speaks to my heart.


Oh ... I would not give that a second thought.

You are young enough so you will absolutely accomplish that ...

IF ...

If you just keep pluggin' away without too many detours.

Good Luck


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Originally Posted by dmd
Originally Posted by David B
So much to learn. I hope I can live long enough to get past the basics and play beautiful music that speaks to my heart.


Oh ... I would not give that a second thought.

You are young enough so you will absolutely accomplish that ...

IF ...

If you just keep pluggin' away without too many detours.

Good Luck


Good counsel. Thanks.

God Bless,
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I started lesson 14 and below is a song I just uploaded from lesson 12 that I like. It's a hymn (We Three Kings in Am). As usual we first learn to play the music as it is written (very simple single note melody and basic block chords in the left hand), then Duane gives us arraigning techniques and encourages us to arrange the song in a creative way. The arranging techniques are getting progressively more difficult and it's taking me longer to complete a lesson. I believe this course is going to take me over two years to finish. So far the journey has been enjoyable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOeu5eIIFB0

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That's beautiful, David. Your playing always impresses me.

You've probably answered this before, but I don't recall - are we hearing an unprocessed ES8 sound? If so, which one?

Oops, sorry! Didn't look at your signature. Is this Ravenscroft or . . .?

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Originally Posted by pwl
That's beautiful, David. Your playing always impresses me.

You've probably answered this before, but I don't recall - are we hearing an unprocessed ES8 sound? If so, which one?

Oops, sorry! Didn't look at your signature. Is this Ravenscroft or . . .?


Thank you.

I've experimented with some virtual pianos (pianoteq and TrueKeys), but I keep coming back to the ES8 internal sounds. In the most recent song I uploaded (We Three Kings) I'm using the SK-EX concert grand internal sound. I do have my keyboard touch sensitivity set to Light+ which gives it a brighter sound, and I have the internal bass boost setting on as well which obviously enhances the lower frequencies. I think it sounds very nice though my monitors. That's pretty much it.

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Welll played David! Keep it up.

How long it took to master it like that ? I just started lesson 13 now.
Lesson 12 took me almost 2 months but with a few forced pauses in between!

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Originally Posted by David B
I started lesson 14 and below is a song I just uploaded from lesson 12 that I like. It's a hymn (We Three Kings in Am). As usual we first learn to play the music as it is written (very simple single note melody and basic block chords in the left hand), then Duane gives us arraigning techniques and encourages us to arrange the song in a creative way. The arranging techniques are getting progressively more difficult and it's taking me longer to complete a lesson. I believe this course is going to take me over two years to finish. So far the journey has been enjoyable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOeu5eIIFB0

God Bless,
David



You are playing beautifully.

I have to ask, though ....

Why are you pausing between each phrase ?

Is it because you need the time to get ready for the next phrase or do you just like the sound of doing it that way ?

If it is because you need the time for preparing then I would suggest working that pause out of there before going on.

Anyway .... you are playing very beautifully and your technique looks great. Keep it up.



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Originally Posted by Stopparde
Welll played David! Keep it up.

How long it took to master it like that ? I just started lesson 13 now.
Lesson 12 took me almost 2 months but with a few forced pauses in between!

--stoppa


Thank you.

I started lesson 12 on March 21st (which is when I would have started that song). Some songs in the lessons I learn well enough to move on (not perfect) and then never play those songs again. However, the hymns I'm keeping in my repertoire. Therefore, I end up playing those on a regular basis and get comfortable with them.

I could easily see this course taking over two years to finish, maybe even closer to three. I've been pretty consistent in my practice with the exception of a few days here and there where I just didn't have the time.

God Bless,
David

P.S. Edited to add that it took me three recordings of that song and it was the third one that I uploaded because that one sounded the best to me. So I don't think I can play that song on demand perfect every-time.


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Originally Posted by dmd

You are playing beautifully.

I have to ask, though ....

Why are you pausing between each phrase ?

Is it because you need the time to get ready for the next phrase or do you just like the sound of doing it that way ?

If it is because you need the time for preparing then I would suggest working that pause out of there before going on.

Anyway .... you are playing very beautifully and your technique looks great. Keep it up.


Thank you.

I've added the pauses in there because to me it seems to add a little tension to the song. Perhaps tension is not the right word, but that melody in the key of Am seems to have a darker feel to it, and the pauses to me seem to add a little more drama to the song. I guess it's just my way of trying to be expressive. Thank you for noticing that.

I'm am working on another song to upload in the next day or so from lesson 11 and it is totally different in feel from We Three Kings. Pauses would not enhance this song. There is a lot of tripletized walk ups that make it really fun and upbeat to play. It's also a great hymn as well. My favorite one in the course so far. Duane gave us a lot of fun things to do with it.

God Bless,
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Here is a song from lesson 9 that I really like. Duane gave us some fun things to do with this song. The techniques were new to me. Octaves with 3rd and 6th harmonics added in, tripletized walk-ups and downs.

As it's been noted before, the biggest benefit to this course is not only learning how to read music because that's what we have to do every lesson with numerous songs, but in my opinion, the value in each lesson is Duane's instruction on theory, improvisation, and arranging. That's what takes the most time for me with each lesson. Duane keeps giving us teasers by showing us what we're going to learn in the future and I just wish I could accelerate my learning process, but I have to accept that it's going to take time, effort, and consistent work at the bench. One thing I realize now is that there are no short cuts. If you want to learn, you have to put the time in. I wish I had a child's brain because as an adult, I think the learning process is a lot slower.

This has been my favorite song to learn so far because it's a great hymn with an incredibly positive message (for me).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbAVvD9rOgA

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Here are a couple of songs I like from lesson 14 (I'm in the process of finishing up lesson 15).

This song is Volga Boatman and it was mostly arranged by Duane. It was a tough song for me to learn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLNIancAX64

This next song is Artists Life Waltz and it is arranged by me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2VECr4YhDM

The lessons are getting longer and harder, but the journey is fun. I'm still hoping to be halfway through this course by the end of the year.

God Bless,
David

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As always, David, very nice! I do enjoy your work at the ES8!

Can you talk a bit about the ways in which Volga Boatman was difficult, and also a bit about your arranging process for Artists Life Waltz?

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Originally Posted by pwl
As always, David, very nice! I do enjoy your work at the ES8!

Can you talk a bit about the ways in which Volga Boatman was difficult, and also a bit about your arranging process for Artists Life Waltz?


Thank you.

Volga Boatman was difficult for me to get the piece up to the right tempo (75-80 bpm). I was stuck for a while playing is slower. It was the chord inversion transitions that was stumping me up. I wasn't used to them.

For Artists Life Waltz I switched up the left hand between chording and arpeggios. With the right hand I added some some harmony notes (the score is single note melody) and on the second verse I re-harmonized the melody (that's what Duane calls it).

Most of the songs in the lesson books I don't care to play again after I learn them, but these two I kind of like.

God Bless,
David


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I finally finished lesson 15 after several months. I've been traveling a lot (most of July and August) and only recently purchased a keyboard to take with me when I travel.

Here are two cool songs that I like from lesson 15. I've done something a little different. I played a few bars of the song the way it's written in the lesson book. Then I played it using the techniques Duane has taught us so far. I wanted to show the diversity of what is being taught. I like the way Duane explains the theory and builds on the lesson after we've learned how to read/play the song the way it's written.

The first is called Bicycle Made for Two. I like the walk-ups and downs from C to F or G to C. They are fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NEa56xGmD8

Then next song is Salut D'Amour. After I played it the way it's written, I play through the song two more times using different arrangements that Duane showed in the lesson. This is also a fun song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04C_RG8AbXA

I'm looking forward to starting lesson 16, but unfortunately I'll be traveling for another couple weeks this month and don't know how much time I'll have to practice.

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Hi David ....

Great Job !

You are absolutely doing things in the right way.

You seem to have become the "proof" that this course will work if you do things the way Duane suggests and do it well before moving on.

Keep it up.


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Hi David
I second the accolade of "great job" I was impressed how you were able to vary the original score based on your training

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Originally Posted by dmd
Hi David ....

Great Job !

You are absolutely doing things in the right way.

You seem to have become the "proof" that this course will work if you do things the way Duane suggests and do it well before moving on.

Keep it up.


Thanks. Lessons with Duane in person would be ideal, but this course is the only option. I'm glad I learned about it here.


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I second the accolade of "great job" I was impressed how you were able to vary the original score based on your training


Thanks. This is something I appreciate about Duane's course. I'm not only learning how to read music, but all the additional instruction that Duane teaches with each lesson makes it interesting. So far he has been building on the some of the basic concepts. The songs in the lesson books are pretty boring (necessary to learn how to read) and if that's all I was learning, I probably would have given up on the course by now.

God Bless,
David

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I'm currently on lesson 19, but here is song from lesson 17 (Sweet Rosie O'Grady), which was the hardest song for me to learn so far in this course. It's even harder than the songs in lesson 18 and 19. Duane introduced several new arrangement techniques that were new to me. I'm not able to do them all e.g., multiple octave runs, but I do what I can. Duane doesn't expect us to learn everything perfectly, but to be aware of what is possible while slowly adding to our arrangement techniques.

In the video below I'll play the song once through the way it's written in the lesson book and then the way Duane arranged it. I don't play it perfectly and I don't think it's a song I'm going to continue to practice, but it was necessary to learn since it's the only song Duane covered in lesson 17 and we have to get comfortable with the techniques before moving on.

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Hi David,

Well, you have done it again.

Great Job !!!!

You just about have me ready to jump into that course. LOL ....

I do not think I would discard that one if I were you.

That will sound really nice after you get more comfortable with it.

Keep it up.


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VERY impressive, David - and such fun, too, in the Shinn arrangement! And that MP11SE is sounding pretty durn nice!!

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Great Job...
I do not think I would discard that one if I were you.


Thanks. It's a nice song, but since I have a limited time to practice, I'm hesitant to continue adding songs to my repertoire that will require more time to keep up. My ultimate goal is to learn how to make hymns more beautiful. I actually have Duane's Praise and Gospel Course, which I hope to start after this 52 Week (more like 120 week) course is done. At this point in my experience keeping a large repertoire up can be very time consuming.


Originally Posted by pwl
VERY impressive, David - and such fun, too, in the Shinn arrangement! And that MP11SE is sounding pretty durn nice!!


Thanks. Duane does make it fun that's for sure. Currently I'm using one of the SK Concert Grand presets. They've tweaked a number of the parameters.The sound was actually buried in one of the sound banks (M1 or 2) under the title "12 Foot Grand." It's very close to sounding like their main SK grand sound with just a bit bigger and brighter feel. I like it.

God Bless,
David


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Re: Duane Shinn 52 Week Crash Course [Re: TonyB] #2691166
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Originally Posted by David B


Most of the songs in the lesson books I don't care to play again after I learn them, but these two I kind of like.



Originally Posted by David B

Thanks. This is something I appreciate about Duane's course. I'm not only learning how to read music, but all the additional instruction that Duane teaches with each lesson makes it interesting. So far he has been building on the some of the basic concepts. The songs in the lesson books are pretty boring (necessary to learn how to read) and if that's all I was learning, I probably would have given up on the course by now.



I just stumbled across this thread looking into various online learning resources and I just have to pick your brain about this. smile

You seem to be doing really, really well. How good does one have to be to realistically to be able to get the most out of this course. I read that you were a 2-year beginner when you started (a few pages back), how far along were you really at that time? Do you think you could have started on DS sooner or even that you should have started later?

I like what I read about the course and the way it's laid out to make one not only learn to read music but also various concepts needed to actually make music with it. That's exactly the structure I'd need (as a rank beginner on piano of a few months but not new to music) but what's stopping me are your two quotes. I simply don't find any of the songs stimulating enough to put the required time in. None of them sound like anything I'd like to be able to play at a drop of a hat or retain indefinitely so it's very hard for me to dedicate that amount of time (that's crazy for me, given my schedule) over the period of x years (and yes, that's how much it'd take if you think it'll take you three years to finish it). That's just not the kind of music I'd look forward to practicing day in and day out, sadly. And I'm not aware of any other online resource that works this way but employs a different genre of music as a learning vessel. So I'm pretty torn about it right now... smile

And while I have your ear, I was just curious... what exactly made you switch from ES8 to MP11SE?

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MuddyFox,
The course assumes no prior experience. So yes, a complete beginner could work their way through the course. But here's the thing. The only real negative to this course (imo) is that there's a sense of false expectation created by the model. 52 weekly lessons. I don't think any beginner could reasonably be expected to work through the course in just one year. Each lesson takes about 30 min of video, but the difficulty of the assignments ranges considerably throught the course. Some lessons, even late in the course, you might be able to get through in a few days. On the other hand, some of the lessons might take a month or more to master. So if you feel like, oh geez I spent two weeks on this lesson and I'm still not getting it, I think the temptation to give up would be very strong. Around lesson 7-ish, duane introduces swing bass. That's the first really hard and a huge hurdle, and it happens pretty early in the course. I suspect that a lot of people who try the course give up around then. But if you commit to just working through the course and not giving up, you'll make real progress and you'll be amazed at how much you can learn from it. Compared to a lot of options, it's a very expensive course. Though, if you think of it as being in some way (roughly) equivalent to 2-3 years of private lessons it's not quite as bad, price-wise. It's a waste of money if you're just going to buy it and have it sitting on a shelf. But if you work through it, it's totally worth the money imo. I would say if you're willing to make that commitment, and you have the means, buy the course.

As for the cheesy music, I don't think there's any course out there that's going to be satisfying in that regard. Most courses use public domain music (the crash course does) because 1) most of the songs are familar so you have an idea what the music should sound like and 2) it's free. If they had beatles tunes or whatnot they'd have to pay royalties which would make things more expensive.

There are some method books that have attempted to use more interesting/popular music, ken baker's complete piano player method book for example. But even that had only short sections of popular songs, and very limited beginner's arrangments. I don't think using a book like that would be any more satisfying than a more usual method that uses traditional (cheesy) standards.

But here's the thing. The course is all about learning to arrange music. You can apply the techniques to any sheet music you have. So there's nothing that says you can't supplement the material in the course with more interesting music. One of the things the course teaches you is how to play from a lead sheet/fake book (it teaches you how to read/play from traditional notation as well). You could an inexpensive fake book of popular music and add a couple of popular songs from it to each lesson; for example, and then you could work on applying the techniques from that lesson to the more interesting music. Of course that would mean the course took even longer to work through, but it also might make it a lot more fun for you. It's not a race after all.

Also, here's the other thing. Some of the arrangments that duane does/teaches are really cool. He actually makes some of those cheesy songs really fun and interesting. You can also view that as a personal challenge. Rather than, "god I have to get through this awful song" you can have the attitude "making this cheesy song fun is going to be a challenge, let's see what I can do!" I think that sort of mind frame can help a lot.

Warm Regards,
Fizikisto


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Originally Posted by MuddyFox

I just stumbled across this thread looking into various online learning resources and I just have to pick your brain about this. smile

You seem to be doing really, really well. How good does one have to be to realistically to be able to get the most out of this course. I read that you were a 2-year beginner when you started (a few pages back), how far along were you really at that time? Do you think you could have started on DS sooner or even that you should have started later?


Hello Muddyfox,

I'll second everything that fizikisto just wrote. He is spot on.

Regarding my experience prior to the starting the Duane Shinn course at the beginning of this year, yes I had two years of experience with another course (Learn and Master Piano). It was a 28 lesson course and it took me two years to finish. Prior to that I had never played piano before. However, I really, really wish I would have started the Shinn course first and not spent anytime with the previous L&M course. Without getting into a comparison between the two courses, I would highly recommend any beginner to start the 52 week course. Just remember what fizikisto said, it's really not possible for a beginner to finish the course in 52 weeks. Take your time and enjoy the journey.

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I simply don't find any of the songs stimulating enough to put the required time in.


Everyone should have a long-term goal. If your long-term goal doesn't include a repertoire with these songs in it, but it does include knowing the other things the course teaches, i.e., reading music, arranging music, understanding music theory, a toolbox of arrangement techniques in multiple styles, etc., then you'll recognize that the songs in the course are a means to an end and not an end within themselves. Personally, I want to learn how to apply what I'm learning in the Shinn course to hymns. I have no doubt this course will get me there.

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And while I have your ear, I was just curious... what exactly made you switch from ES8 to MP11SE?


Purely for the upgraded action and that's it. I'm really enjoying the MP11SE and I feel the upgrade was definitely worth it.

God bless,
David


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I also completely agree with fizikisto and David.
I just started lesson 16, after 1.5 years, mixing a bit of “as written” and arrangements playing. I got stuck on lesson 15 due to some additional work responsibility and a drop of energy. Slowly recovering now.
If you find difficult arranging the songs, you can just follow the as written in the book , which introduces difficulties and arranging techniques gradually.
You need to give it time and not let go, especially do not get distracted by other new, fancy, superfast , interactive , holographic piano programs...stick with it.

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Wow... excellent info! Exactly the kind of digest that I needed. Thanks fellas!

Right now, I'd even be willing to suppress my ADD and try to stick with something like this for 252 weeks that it'd likely take me, but the price is indeed rather steep. With the shipping and tax and import duties to my little third world country here, it'd probably end up costing twice the list price. And it doesn't seem likely they'll be coming out with a downloadable version. Shame, that, because I've been known to spend nearly that much on stuff that sits on the shelf in my other music endeavors over the years. smile

Again, thanks for the input, much appreciated and I will revisit this idea from time to time for sure...


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