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Re: Duane Shinn 52 Week Crash Course [Re: dmd] #2537783
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Originally Posted by dmd
Tony: Thank you for the recordings. Now, I have a better idea of the material in the course. The beginning nature of it, anyway. It is actually very typical Duane Shinn stuff.

You sound like you are off to a good start. The trick will be staying with each "week" until you master it ... or at least become pretty fluent with it. That concept of going back through other songs with the new material is critical. That will help you become fluent with other chords and melodies.

I think you are on the right track, you just have to find the resolve to stick with it.






Thanks dmd! I was thinking this morning while going over material I played yesterday (not the recordings, but the lesson), how this process is similar in some ways to when I was learning to drive. I learned to drive a car with a stick shift, so there was a lot more to organize than just pressing on the gas to go and the brake to stop.

With those simple recordings I did yesterday, there was a lot going on - reading as I played, getting the fingering right, making sure that the left and right hands stayed together while doing different things, and doing all that in some semblance of time.

All of that comes into play every time I sit down to the piano to play, and if I do it often and regularly enough, much of it will become automatic so I can focus instead on playing music, rather than just notes being counted. It is a question of mental bandwidth - the brain can only actively process a few things at a time, while those things that become ingrained take up very little of the active processing, giving more time to the the things that need attention and focus. It was like that with the guitar, and any new thing that I learn to do.

I have noticed that the 52 week course seems to introduce variety to keep us on our toes. For instance, timing is varied from tune to tune by using tunes that have a variety of the placement of various note lengths in a measure, or switching between the various techniques we have learned and applying several in one tune and to a variety of chords. I am sure this will continue as I get farther into the course. Over time, this will really cement these techniques into my hands.

In the current lesson (now lesson 5), Duane talks about finding a chord among those we know to fit a melody note that does not sound right with the chord given in the book. He frequently invites us on the video to think for ourselves and play with the tunes he assigns to come up with more interesting ways to play them.

I think there are a couple of very good reasons to put up recordings from time to time. The main one is that it keeps us honest about what we are really doing. Anybody can be anything on the internet, and nobody is the wiser unless proof is asked for and not provided. It is entirely possible that, due to my enthusiasm, I could have given the impression that I was farther along than I really am. If so, it was not intentional, and listening to my recordings would bring out the facts very quickly.

Another important aspect is that it can keep us motivated because now, instead of just hiding in our room with an endless stretch of time ahead of us to spend however we feel at the time, such as doing anything but practicing, we have now made a commitment to show something of our efforts, which requires us to have something ready.

It seems to me as I think about it, that an online study group focusing on a particular self-study book series or course such as the 52 week crash course or some of the other study group threads here, would want to have its members put up recordings periodically because that takes it from the realm of talking about doing the thing to actually doing the thing, and motivation then becomes much less of an issue. This should be optional, but invited, because there will be people who simply either are not equipped to record for a variety of reasons, and people who are too shy. Those folks should not be ruled out of such a discussion, but for those who are willing to put themselves out there, they will probably get the most out of the book or course.

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Tony:

Your concept of the value of posting recordings of your progress from time to time is absolutely right on. It will force you to demonstrate your progress and not just talk about it.

The ideal would be for you and a few others to do that throughout this particular course to help each of you with motivation and a dose of reality from time to time.

However, the issue that usually arises is that one or more of you will begin to "fall behind" and will then feel less enthusiastic about posting because it now demonstrates that you are not doing as well as the other person(s). If you (and others) can avoid that comparison issue then the posting thing will work. Otherwise, it will result in the end of the postings for those that fall behind and the process will probably end for everyone involved.

As you know, almost any method is GREAT in the early stages of the process because it is being buoyed by the anticipation of success. However, the reality of the length of the journey can erode that sense of being successful and a new direction will be sought.

I, personally, have experienced that process numerous times. In fact, maybe that is the process of learning to play piano. I am quite sure it is rare for someone to pick a "method" and just stay with it through the years and become a fine player. More than likely they utilized various methods and just keep working and the finished product is the summation of all those methods.

In any event, I think the Duane Shinn material is as good or better than many if your goal is to be able to play piano without simply memorizing songs.

I would be most interested in hearing a post from you from time to time demonstrating progress.

Keep pluggin'


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dmd,

Yes, I am aware of how few people seem to get through the various courses. There are a lot of testimonials on Duane's site for the 52 week course. The course has been around for many years, so it is possible that there could be people who finished it - especially before there were forums such as this to distract them and easy availability to every possible course and book that anybody who wanted to sell something and make money puts up on some site. It could well be that there might have been a time when there were fewer distractions and people's attention span and willingness to take on such a long term commitment was different than today.

To me, it seems this is a daily commitment. We each have a choice every day in these forums - are we going walk the talk, or talk the walk. I sincerely hope that I have the fortitude to choose the former from here on out. However, only time will tell. I did it with the guitar, with getting through college, and a few other long term commitments in my life, so I should be able to do it with the piano too. This is one thing I still want to accomplish in my lifetime.

If somebody else puts up a video or MP3 that is ahead of me, it will be inspiring, knowing that one day I too will sound like that, since I am working from the same materials. It would give me more confidence in the capacity of the course for leading us to a good outcome for the time and effort expended. I find it curious that people would not react that way. I would think that knowing what is possible would be inspiring. If anything could suck the life out of such an endeavor as this, it would be all that insipid talk about "talent", making it seem that there is no point in bothering at all because "some gots it, some don't". I personally do not believe that philosophy, but it does come up every time some 4 year old posts a video of him or herself wailing away at the piano. When I taught guitar, it seemed to be a huge issue for adult students, but kids never seemed to give it a second thought - they just plowed ahead because they simply wanted to play guitar and nobody told them it was hard.

By the way, you have been around these types of courses for quite some time, from what you have said. You even recognized what I was playing in my recordings as typical of Duane Shinn's approach.

Could you put up a recording or two of your own efforts, and maybe even join this thread on an ongoing basis with whatever course you choose to pursue? I think you have some really good insights.

Thanks,

Tony




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As of this evening, I have decided to increase my practice session to a half hour each instead of the initially recommended 15 minutes, and keeping 4 of these per day. The reason is that it is becoming very obvious to me that 15 minutes a few times a day is really just playing around, rather than getting really focused. It is quite clear to me already, that there is a lot for my hands to learn.

The intellect seems to grasp things far more quickly than the hands can physically perform, which is probably it is so much easier to "talk than walk" when it comes to self-study courses. So, instead of getting farther buried with the lessons, I intend to step up. Already at lesson 5, it is time to make that decision.

I know I have been one of the most active posters here so far, but I think it is time to post just a few times per week at most, and put the most time into "the walk" from here on out if I am to make any progress. Really, this is a very demanding course, and it would be a good idea before investing this much money in it, to understand that it really is a serious time commitment. Anything worthwhile in this life is, when it comes down to it. I am certainly waking up to that fact now. I sincerely hope someday to be able to say that, I, like Fizikisto, have made it through 47 lessons and am a better player for it. That, takes a real commitment and I hope I am up for it now.

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I would like to join Jusca in saying that I am not currently doing this course, but I appreciate this thread.


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TonyB, I commend you for recording, and for posting the recordings. For all the reasons mentioned by others, I am convinced that recording is a HUGE benefit for developing pianists, and PARTICULARLY HUGE for those of us who are self-taught.

I have chosen to record all of my "40 Pieces a Year" efforts, and, recording has been amazingly helpful to me.

Keep up the good work. Good luck to you.


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Originally Posted by raubucho
TonyB, I commend you for recording, and for posting the recordings. For all the reasons mentioned by others, I am convinced that recording is a HUGE benefit for developing pianists, and PARTICULARLY HUGE for those of us who are self-taught.

I have chosen to record all of my "40 Pieces a Year" efforts, and, recording has been amazingly helpful to me.

Keep up the good work. Good luck to you.


Thanks raubucho. I will listen to some of your recordings soon.

Tony


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Originally Posted by PianoStudent88
I would like to join Jusca in saying that I am not currently doing this course, but I appreciate this thread.


PianoStudent88,

I hope there is some worthwhile content even if only inspirational. smile

Tony


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Hi,
1st post, after some weeks reading this thread.
I'm also looking at a self-study piano package.

I started (and stopped) a few times to learn piano in my youth and now I want to try to get a bit more focused and determined.

I will start a night community class for one month in May and the teacher will use the Alfred All in One book 1.

I also have the Learn and Master Piano, but the I'm not sure I like the chord approach.

I'm considering the Duane crash course, but the 1K cost is delaying my decision...granted on a weekly basis, $25 is better than an actual teacher will cost.
One question I have, is if you can buy the Duane course by the month, basically 1 dvd at the time, instead of all at the same time.
I can see on his website you can buy the 1st month, but I could not understand (the web page is not exactly an example of modern layout.. ) So if anybody had experience I would appreciate and information you may have.

In the mean time I may order the 1st month lessons.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Stopparde
Hi,
1st post, after some weeks reading this thread.
I'm also looking at a self-study piano package.

I started (and stopped) a few times to learn piano in my youth and now I want to try to get a bit more focused and determined.

I will start a night community class for one month in May and the teacher will use the Alfred All in One book 1.

I also have the Learn and Master Piano, but the I'm not sure I like the chord approach.

I'm considering the Duane crash course, but the 1K cost is delaying my decision...granted on a weekly basis, $25 is better than an actual teacher will cost.
One question I have, is if you can buy the Duane course by the month, basically 1 dvd at the time, instead of all at the same time.
I can see on his website you can buy the 1st month, but I could not understand (the web page is not exactly an example of modern layout.. ) So if anybody had experience I would appreciate and information you may have.

In the mean time I may order the 1st month lessons.

Thanks!

--stoppa


I thought there was something about buying the first 4 months, and then if you like the course, you can go ahead and buy the rest of it in one purchase. However, that maybe isn't true anymore, I don't know.

When the course was VHS tapes, I think it was sold on a month by month basis, but when I bought it, you bought the whole thing at once. The price does not seem to have changed in that time, which is unusual for any product that has been around that long.

I think the real question is twofold:

1. Does the course teach for the direction you want to go musically? I think that Fizikisto's posts here have described it really well, so you have the information in those earlier posts to make that decision for yourself.

2. Are you willing to make the commitment to see it through?
This course really does demand consistent effort over a long time. I have started and stopped twice already. Hopefully, now I have the discipline and fortitude to see it through. I have recently broken through the part that was tripping me up, so I now have confidence that I really can do this. It is a real decision only you can make. In the purchase decision process, this is probably the most important thing, especially considering the cost. I had the money at the time, so that wasn't an issue for me (though now, I would have to think long and hard...), but for somebody who will have to watch the cost closely, this could be a real issue. It is too much money to have the stuff gathering dust. The upside is that you will know how to play piano by the time you finish the course. smile

Tony


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Originally Posted by Stopparde
One question I have, is if you can buy the Duane course by the month, basically 1 dvd at the time, instead of all at the same time.


Absolutely you can. There is an icon entitled: Subsequent Crash Course Lessons. If you click on that, you will have the option of selecting from 4 lessons packs. It will get a little bit more expensive for all 52 lessons doing it that way, but it might not be a bad idea in case you stop for some reason along the way. That DOES HAPPEN from time to time. LOL ...

In fact, not to be pessimistic .... but I could probably say that it USUALLY HAPPENS ... at least in my experience.



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Originally Posted by TonyB
Could you put up a recording or two of your own efforts, and maybe even join this thread on an ongoing basis with whatever course you choose to pursue? I think you have some really good insights.


Well, I could do that ... but I am not sure what purpose it would serve other than you hearing me play.

I am really not pursuing any "course" at the moment and have really reduced my effort level (practicing) to a crawl. I am pretty much just relaxing and playing whatever I feel like playing and letting it go at that. I do take a lesson from a jazz pianist (via internet) now and then but only to feel that I am at least involved with some semblance of improvement.

I pretty much just play things from jazz fake books utilizing what I already know how to do and if I can add a new thing here and there ... fine. There is basically no more "Working at it". I am not progressing very fast but it is a lot more fun.

I will be watching this thread to see how things develop for you and other participants. Good Luck


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Originally Posted by dmd
Originally Posted by TonyB
Could you put up a recording or two of your own efforts, and maybe even join this thread on an ongoing basis with whatever course you choose to pursue? I think you have some really good insights.


Well, I could do that ... but I am not sure what purpose it would serve other than you hearing me play.

I am really not pursuing any "course" at the moment and have really reduced my effort level (practicing) to a crawl. I am pretty much just relaxing and playing whatever I feel like playing and letting it go at that. I do take a lesson from a jazz pianist (via internet) now and then but only to feel that I am at least involved with some semblance of improvement.

I pretty much just play things from jazz fake books utilizing what I already know how to do and if I can add a new thing here and there ... fine. There is basically no more "Working at it". I am not progressing very fast but it is a lot more fun.

I will be watching this thread to see how things develop for you and other participants. Good Luck


dmd,

That is fine. I was just curious. I do understand exactly where you are at with this because I have been there too - and it is a great place to be. My "problem" is that there are some styles I really want to learn, so I just have to get going again to do that. But what you are doing is really fun, and enjoying music is the main thing.

I hope you do stick around and jump in...

Tony


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Don, Tony,
thanks for your inputs.

Based on a few youtube videos from Duane, I feel that is the direction I would like to go in learning piano.

I can (with some efforts) already play a relatively simple melody with chords accompaniment. Duane course seems to add those techniques that makes you sounding better.

I will check the link to the "Subsequent Crash Course Lessons".

Thanks again.

--stoppa

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Here is a new recording I just made after a practice session. The tune is "carry Me Back To Old Virginny" and it is in this week's lesson. I use the term "this week" loosely, because a lesson could take a few days or a few weeks, but they are measured by weeks in the course as a means of identifying them.

https://app.box.com/s/677jd1bylozerw5sndtpvpgilt81v9io

The link goes to the entire folder, so feel free to listen to whatever, but the new one is the one I am talking about.

I don't intend to post every song I learn, but since there seem to be people watching this thread who might be considering starting the course, I thought this would be a good example of some things Duane does in the course.

When you listen to the tune (and...yes, I messed up briefly in one spot...), it will sound really simple, and I suppose to an experienced player, it is. However, the fingering is changing all the time and there are some spots with chord changes one after the other in the left hand while the right hand is keeping the melody going.

Also, in this lesson, Duane says that if a melody note sounds bad against the written chord, feel free to change the chord and find one you like better. I did that in a couple of spots - it is the beginning of arranging your own way and he encourages that.

As I get comfortable with this tune, I will be applying "swing bass" and some of the next techniques - in this lesson we start on arpeggiating the left hand.

It took me several hours of practice to be able to play this tune, so it was a breakthrough that I just had to record. As I say, it really doesn't sound like much, but Duane sure packs a lot of little things into it that make you really dig in and put in the time to get through it. When you come out the other end of this tune, your hands are better prepared for what comes next. If you short-change this tune just to get on to the next thing, then the next thing will be that much more difficult. I must say that Duane Shinn is an experienced teacher who knows the "tricks" students will try to just get on to "the good stuff" - and he won't let you. smile

As a side note, when I record these tunes, I do the recording in one shot - no do-overs - just sit down and play it. I want people to hear how I really sound, rather than cut-and-paste to make it seem as if I can do more than I really can. To me, there is no point in recording as I go unless you get to hear what it really sounds like - warts and all. If it was a recording to be marketed, then I suppose every trick in the book to make a quality product, but that isn't what this is. smile

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Very nice Tony.

The chords were clean and on-time. The melody was clear.

What Duane says about "Short Changing" a tune just to get to the "Good Stuff" is absolutely right on. If you do that, you will come out the other end (After 52 lessons) and you won't have much of anything. You will "know" a lot, but you won't have it in your hands.

You will move on from time to time without really "mastering" everything in a lesson (to keep your sanity) but it is important for you to recognize that and go back to pick it up before getting too far ahead. That which you have difficulty with is likely to be part of "The Good Stuff". Some things take a long time to become fluent with and you may have to work on that skill a little at a time during many lessons. Just don't stop with it entirely. You might even wish to go back to the lesson where it was first introduced just to have a sense of how much easier it has now become for you.



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Wow,
Our little thread is blowing up smile Tony you're continuing to do very well, way to go! I'm absolutely swamped at work this week. I didn't even get any practice in yesterday, and the only reason I got some in this morning is because I left the lights on in my car yesterday and I had an unanticipated half hour this morning waiting for my car's battery to be recharged by the charger. *sighs* No rest for the weary. I just wanted to pop on and say that I haven't abandoned the thread, I'm just snowed under. I'll be back sometime next week when work things have calmed down. smile

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Very nice Tony.

The chords were clean and on-time. The melody was clear.

What Duane says about "Short Changing" a tune just to get to the "Good Stuff" is absolutely right on. If you do that, you will come out the other end (After 52 lessons) and you won't have much of anything. You will "know" a lot, but you won't have it in your hands.

You will move on from time to time without really "mastering" everything in a lesson (to keep your sanity) but it is important for you to recognize that and go back to pick it up before getting too far ahead. That which you have difficulty with is likely to be part of "The Good Stuff". Some things take a long time to become fluent with and you may have to work on that skill a little at a time during many lessons. Just don't stop with it entirely. You might even wish to go back to the lesson where it was first introduced just to have a sense of how much easier it has now become for you.



Thanks dmd. I think I will address some of the rest of your insightful post in a separate post here.

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Originally Posted by fizikisto
Wow,
Our little thread is blowing up smile Tony you're continuing to do very well, way to go! I'm absolutely swamped at work this week. I didn't even get any practice in yesterday, and the only reason I got some in this morning is because I left the lights on in my car yesterday and I had an unanticipated half hour this morning waiting for my car's battery to be recharged by the charger. *sighs* No rest for the weary. I just wanted to pop on and say that I haven't abandoned the thread, I'm just snowed under. I'll be back sometime next week when work things have calmed down. smile

Back to the grindstone...


We will be waiting for you to back to play with us. smile

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Here are some thoughts about attitude and practicing. I will try to keep this short so I can get more practice time in.

David Sudnow, in his piano course, talked about motivation. Basically, he said to listen to the questions you ask of yourself and others. If you need to know how little practice you can get by with, or how long it will take to learn to play piano, or any of the myriad issues that are often discussed in these forums along those lines (including all that stuff about "talent" and the 10,000 hour rule), then these are very clear indications that we really are not all that interested in learning to play. Instead, such questions and issues indicate that we are interested in getting the results of being able to play (i.e. admiration from others, or any other self-esteem boost from already having the skills) without having to really work at it.

To be successful, we have to love the journey and not be overly concerned about the destination, other than wanting to achieve it regardless of what it takes to do so. We have to learn to accept what each day brings and not worry about how long it takes to complete the journey, which is never really completed anyway. Attitude is everything. When we can actually look forward to practicing, to being able to enjoy when we accomplish the little things that tripped us up last week or last month, then we can know that we have the attitude that will keep us on the path.

There is a book called "Mastery" by George Leonard that is a good, short read along these lines: www.amazon.com/Mastery-Keys-Success-Long-Term-Fulfillment/dp/0452267560

In this book, the daily ritual of practice becomes the important thing - the daily commitment for that day to do what it takes to stay on the path. It is the little things that make the difference between success and failure, and attending to these daily is key. There is much in these forums to completely distract and derail us, and I am seeing that more clearly as I get into my daily ritual. So I have backed away completely now from the forum that discusses/argues about digital pianos, and from posts in this beginner's forum that can get me all excited about the next shiny new method that guarantees my success. This thread and the monthly recital are of primary interest to me now.

For me personally, rather than lengthy discussion about this (which becomes an "avoidance" of practicing in and of itself), what I said here is really good enough for me. Others here can accept or reject as they see fit. I got the book "Mastery" some years ago for $1 at a rummage sale, and it is doing me some good to be reading it again. Mindset is important, and this book is simple and direct and short, so it is excellent for that extra boost of focus from time to time.

Tony


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Originally Posted by fizikisto
Wow,
Our little thread is blowing up smile Tony you're continuing to do very well, way to go! I'm absolutely swamped at work this week. I didn't even get any practice in yesterday, and the only reason I got some in this morning is because I left the lights on in my car yesterday and I had an unanticipated half hour this morning waiting for my car's battery to be recharged by the charger. *sighs* No rest for the weary. I just wanted to pop on and say that I haven't abandoned the thread, I'm just snowed under. I'll be back sometime next week when work things have calmed down. smile

Back to the grindstone...


You're wasting too much time grading. Just give them all "Cs" and get back to piano! laugh


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"To be successful, we have to love the journey and not be overly concerned about the destination, other than wanting to achieve it regardless of what it takes to do so. We have to learn to accept what each day brings and not worry about how long it takes to complete the journey, which is never really completed anyway. Attitude is everything. When we can actually look forward to practicing, to being able to enjoy when we accomplish the little things that tripped us up last week or last month, then we can know that we have the attitude that will keep us on the path."

Well said, TonyB. My sentiments exactly.

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Thanks EP. When I post something like this, I am especially reminding myself, as much as I am saying "out loud" to anybody else who might be interested. David Sudnow always referred to this as our "level of caring" about what we are doing. I had all but forgotten these lessons until just recently when I was looking for a way to obtain a mindset for successfully approaching the 52 week course. I need to remind myself daily of the commitment I am making to myself and here in this thread to stay on that path.

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Yesterday, I completed playing through the remainder of the songs for Lesson 5. Today, I reviewed them and then spent the rest of my time applying the techniques to previous tunes and to the tunes in this lesson. This would be no big deal, since it is expected by now. However, a couple of things worth mentioning:

1. The remainder of the lesson was pretty much anti-climatic in that the tunes were much easier than the one that I had struggled with. Maybe that struggle gave me the skills to go through the tunes that followed more easily, I don't know.
2. Instead of using the various techniques exactly as Duane taught them so far, I have been experimenting with variations on them. This is really FUN, making practice really something to look forward to. I can only imagine how much more fun it will be as my hands become better at doing this stuff and my repertoire of techniques to use expands with future lessons.

For what I want to do eventually musically (I have absolutely zero interest in playing something exactly as somebody else wrote and/or played it), it is the experimenting and playing around with the tunes that really interests me. I would say this course is a really good match for me because it is this area that Duane seems to really encourage.

Just some observations...

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Just an update...I have started working on lesson 6. There isn't much to say other than that at this point, there is now a lot more to work on each week, both new and review.

I don't expect this thread to get much activity moving forward. I (and anyone lese here who is doing the work) will continue to progress, lesson by lesson, and it is a combination of daily commitment and seeing myself progress through the videos and books that is keeping me moving forward.

For those reading this, or just talking about doing the work, I don't see much in this thread that will remain of interest once the initial flush of excitement about this shiny new thing starts to wear off and it becomes just a matter of doing the work one day at a time. That part is engaging to those actually doing the work, but probably rather boring to those watching. I will continue to post periodically until the thread gets buried several pages back. However, I will continue to move forward day by day and eventually complete the course. Somewhere toward that end, yo will probably only hear from me in the monthly recital thread, once I have something to offer there.

I sincerely hope that those who have been reading this thread and considering starting a journey of their own, will take that leap and go for it. It really is a lot more fulfilling than just talking about playing piano. Every day, we have a choice as to which "keyboard" we will engage - the computer keyboard or the piano keyboard. Nobody can make that choice for us.

Tony


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This thread really died! It is back 6 pages already, and it took a while to find. Anyway, I have not played piano since last weekend because I had to dig pretty deep in one of my fingertips to get an old splinter out.

I realized how easy it would be to let the momentum I had, just slip away the longer I succumbed to that slippery slope, and made an effort to get back on it tonight. This may not seem like a big deal, but those who have been through this cycle will know exactly what I mean, even if they don't openly admit it here. It always starts with a missed day, and then another, and another. Even with legitimate reasons, a person can get completely derailed. It felt really good to "be back", as it were. I reviewed lesson 6 and played through some of what I had already done. I will be working on it for most of next week, including the weekend.

The real motivation for me to stay with it is that I admitted to being little more than a BS'er earlier in this thread, touting this method and that, giving advice here, when I was going nowhere. I would be ashamed to fall back into it, so in a sense, continuing is now the "less painful" path. Even if this thread continues to die and get relegated farther and farther back in forum history, I will remember being brutally honest in an effort to change and really walk the talk. So, in the long run, this is a good thing for me (even "cleansing" in a manner of speaking), as uncomfortable as it has initially been, especially knowing how many people actually read this thread.

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Hi TonyB,
I've been following this thread and am one who hopes you don't get derailed from your path.
It's really a matter of how strongly you desire to pursue it. You can't let things like a sore finger get in your way! Power on, no matter what - we're rooting for you, and please keep us posted!

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Originally Posted by EP
Hi TonyB,
I've been following this thread and am one who hopes you don't get derailed from your path.
It's really a matter of how strongly you desire to pursue it. You can't let things like a sore finger get in your way! Power on, no matter what - we're rooting for you, and please keep us posted!


Thanks EP. I am glad that I took the time to let my finger heal this time. I got that sliver some years ago and was playing guitar in a jazz group at the time, so I did just "power on". When it started bothering me again this time, I decided that since I am not gigging at the moment, I would take the time and fix it. i am glad I did, but thanks for the support.

We each probably have different things that motivate us (or not), and mine might not be the most positive thing right now, but it is a powerful motivator and it is working. smile I definitely want to be among those few who actually finish a course of self-study and can play as a result. Both you and Fizikisto have been really motivating in your comments about this 52 week course, and that got me back on track.

By the way, chapter 6 - new inversions of C, F, G7, and D7, as well as strong focus o sustain pedal technique using the "swing bass". Also, counting dotted quarter and eight note combinations while maintaining left hand chording using the various techniques covered so far.

Tony

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I missed last week because of crazy work obligations, and an illness, and got very little practice in. I know exactly what you mean about having your momentum derailed. It can be crazy frustrating. But as a very wise man once said, "Life is what happens when you're making other plans." I think when we have setbacks the thing is to just pick yourself up and keep going. Beating oneself up over such things seldom helps. Piano is a lifelong journey, not a short term destination. Things are finally back to normal for me so I'll be resuming my weekly Friday review of old lessons tomorrow. Hopefully this thread will continue, and continue to be of use to people.

Also that sucks about your finger. I hope that it is feeling better!



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TonyB, I'm glad you took care of your finger - you need all 10! I didn't mean to imply that you should just ignore it and work through the pain, at risk of further damage.
It just reminded me of a guy I know who suffered a stroke which paralyzed his right side, but it didn't stop him from playing the piano. He still works at it, and is now quite good at one-handed piano. I hope I would have that kind of commitment!
Anyway, congrats at getting back on track.

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