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Re: ROLAND FP-30
Marko in Boston #2533212 04/23/16 10:06 AM
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The specs of the FP4F are like the FP30 : song save format = standard MIDI file


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Re: ROLAND FP-30
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So, the only way to record would be to use the headphone jacks and something like a Tascak DP008 which I own. But, the headphone jacks may not produce as clear a sound as my FP4 with line outs so I'm wondering if I should stick with what I have. Someone posted that they added a line out on the FP30 and I was wondering how that was done.


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Re: ROLAND FP-30
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As for the A88, you might notice that again, while more expensive, it doesn't have any audio outputs either. That's because it doesn't have the capacity to generate sound.

Balanced outputs are found on expensive stage pianos generally, and even then, it's not the norm. For the home user, a lot of time even unbalanced line outputs are useless. To obtain some decent results with external amplification you'd ideally need studio monitors, or, at least, a very expensive HiFi system, not your average stuff. And there another thing: people who use those are (usually) likely to use them in conjunction with software pianos, for which the only requirement is a USB midi connection.


Of course I know the A88 is a MIDI controller, that's why I wrote it would be great if just a basic AP sound could be added it would be perfect for me since I also use a lot of software.

I do like to have balanced outputs, maybe I am just not the typical DP user, I have a home studio, record in to audio interface, listen through studio monitors and I can notice noise from unbalanced outputs (right now a Waldorf synth without them is driving me crazy). I know in Live setting the noise wont be such an issue, but can get annoying. Yeah I could carry a DI box, still one more inconvenience.

Anyway, maybe I am expecting too much, maybe Roland is more expensive that other brands (always has been it seems). Just hope an update to the A88 and the F80 with newer actions.

Re: ROLAND FP-30
Marko in Boston #2533467 04/24/16 10:46 AM
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Could you get a descent recording using the headphone jacks and Tascam DP008? Also, the Casio PX350 was suggested. But, in sound I am sure it would fall way short of a Roland.


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Re: ROLAND FP-30
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It depends how decent you play... cry

sure! I prefer the Roland, for action and sound, but you should decide.

I will do something:

I will record the demo song of FP-30 through the headphones output with a Focusrite Audio Interface, and will post it here to listen how it sound.

Just wait some minutes.

Saludos!

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Originally Posted by Pablo Woiz
It depends how decent you play... cry

sure! I prefer the Roland, for action and sound, but you should decide.

I will do something:

I will record the demo song of FP-30 through the headphones output with a Focusrite Audio Interface, and will post it here to listen how it sound.

Just wait some minutes.

Saludos!


Pablo



Here audio link!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u...o%20through%20Headphones%20output%20.aif




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Marko in Boston #2533477 04/24/16 11:30 AM
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Thanks Pablo, That sounds great! What did you use to record it with from the FP30?

Did I read that you installed line outs on your FP30. How did that turn out?

Are you using the FP30 for gigging?

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Re: ROLAND FP-30
Marko in Boston #2533570 04/24/16 07:19 PM
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It doesn't even record audio to a USB stick? How sad.
What is this log good for? If they wanted to save the expenses in building this thing, they should have left out the Bluetooth, and the USB connectors. They don't even offer half of the possibilities these connections are capable of achieving. So why not just leave them out.
It is not thought through.


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Re: ROLAND FP-30
shalomjj #2533661 04/25/16 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by shalomjj
Could you get a descent recording using the headphone jacks and Tascam DP008? Also, the Casio PX350 was suggested. But, in sound I am sure it would fall way short of a Roland.


Easiest way is to internally record what you do, and when happy, play it ba k through the headphone socket straight into the computer stereo input (audio input) and watch your recording programme in action. You dont actually need to hear it. . . and you can see when it stops.

I only use this method now.


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Hi guys! I'm looking for a proper sized (1300 x 280) dust cover for FP30 in UK stores. Would you recommend me something? What do you think about stretchy cover? is enough good or better be nylon one?


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Originally Posted by Cmin

What is this log good for?....

It is not thought through.


it is a fantastic sounding and feeling entry level piano. It offers some of our best core piano technology at an affordable price point.

Trust when I say it has been thought through thoroughly.

It's already proving that by selling through to end user customers. Dealers love it, their customers love it.

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Re: ROLAND FP-30
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Does recording it straight into the computer give a good recording or do would I do better to use my Tascam DP008?


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Originally Posted by rychubil
Hi guys! I'm looking for a proper sized (1300 x 280) dust cover for FP30 in UK stores. Would you recommend me something? What do you think about stretchy cover? is enough good or better be nylon one?


I have this one for a PX-350 -- it should work OK for an FP-30:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/gator-88-key-stretchy-keyboard-cover

It's not waterproof, but it keeps the dust off. The elastic cord around the edge is adjustable.



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Re: ROLAND FP-30
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Originally Posted by shalomjj
Does recording it straight into the computer give a good recording or do would I do better to use my Tascam DP008?


Interesting question. Your computer's audio input may be stereo, or not. It wasn't designed for audiophiles.

The DP008 doesn't have a "high-spec" ADC -- it's 16 bit / 44.1 kHz ("CD Quality"). But what is has should be quite good.

I'd run the L and R headphone channels into the Tascam line-level inputs. That should work fine. Record a WAV file, edit it in Audacity (use the "Normalize" function to get the volume up), compress to MP3 for distribution if it's long.

Watch out for clipping! You'll see that clearly in Audacity, when you edit the WAV file.


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Re: ROLAND FP-30
Marko in Boston #2535417 04/30/16 09:35 AM
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Thanks Charles, I've used audacity before with great results to produce a CD. But, I don't remember the clipping issue. What is that?
PS How do you like your PX-350? Are you planning on getting the Roland FP30?

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Re: ROLAND FP-30
Marko in Boston #2535421 04/30/16 09:57 AM
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When the amplitude of the signal is to high, the measured signal is not the actual value but the maximum value which is permitted. This is called clipping.

You can see that on audacity :

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You can try and make such a signal on audacity : effect / amplification and change the gain by a value which is superior to the proposed value.



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Thanks for your help! I think one way I can avoid this is that in my Tascam DP008 it has a bar that shows you if the signal is too high. Hopefully that will avoid this complication smile


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Re: ROLAND FP-30
Marko in Boston #2536897 05/05/16 08:14 AM
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PS I am super excited about this piano and looking forward to getting it! Will keep posted and write a review when I do smile


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Hi guys,
Just bought this model and frustrated about the power of headphones output: I've tried all the headphones in the house and can say that even my lowest impedance headphones (Fostex TH-600, 25 Ohm only) produces a quite low volume. It's about a half of volume from the internal speakers of the piano (on max volume setting). That's absolutely not enough, in headphones I can't feel same immersion because of it.
I've reset the piano to the factory settings, but it doesn't help.

So, are there any... hearing protection enabled by default? Or the headphones output amplifier is simply not powerful enough to properly drive even the low-impedance headphones?
Would be glad to hear about your experience with this aspect of Roland FP-30.

Regards!

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Originally Posted by ai_enabled
Hi guys,
Just bought this model and frustrated about the power of headphones output: I've tried all the headphones in the house and can say that even my lowest impedance headphones (Fostex TH-600, 25 Ohm only) produces a quite low volume. It's about a half of volume from the internal speakers of the piano (on max volume setting). That's absolutely not enough, in headphones I can't feel same immersion because of it.


When it comes to volume from headphones, it's not just the impedance you have to consider - the sensitivity makes a much bigger difference. If your headphones have a sensitivity of > 100 SPL/V, you should be OK with any digital. If you can get a good volume with your headphones from your MP3 player, you should get good volume form your digital.

Otherwise, you might need to get a headphone amplifier.


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