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Re: ROLAND FP-30 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2531761
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Cool, thanks, I was unaware of that. It seems odd to me that this isn't a thing. We have a digital signal generated by a piano, which is converted to analog, sent to an interface, converted back to digital for the DAW, then converted back to analog when played back.

It seems to me like you would get a cleaner signal if you could just dump the digital data out of the sound engine into the DAW directly over USB. They could give it some nice buzzword like "TrueSound Digital Recording" and have lots of buzz. smile


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Re: ROLAND FP-30 [Re: fizikisto] #2531770
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Originally Posted by fizikisto
Are there any boards which can stream audio over usb to a DAW?

I know the Roland FA06 and FA08, the Yamaha MOXF6 and MOXF8, and the Korg Kronos.

If you want an hammer action, you should get the 73* or 88 keys model (FA08 or MOXF8 : Ivory Feel G and GHS keyboard respectively)

* Only the Kronos is available in 73 keys.


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Re: ROLAND FP-30 [Re: fizikisto] #2531777
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Originally Posted by fizikisto
Are there any boards which can stream audio over usb to a DAW?


Yamaha "MX" series (MX49 / MX61).

They're designed to send workstation sounds into a DAW over USB, and I _think_ they will work as a USB audio interface.

Check the Yamaha website for details -- there are drivers to be loaded, etc.




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Re: ROLAND FP-30 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2531787
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It seems to be possible to use it as an USB audio interface

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/music-production/synthesizers/mx/mx61/ :
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Bi-directional USB Audio/MID interfacing


And the reference manual tells more about the USB audio stream from the computer : it is directly sent to the audio outputs (LINE-OUT and headphones).

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The audio data of the USB flash memory are output only to the OUTPUT [L/MONO]/[R] jacks and [PHONE] jack. The data is not output to the USB [TO HOST] terminal.

But the audio stream from the tone generator is sent to the USB/audio port.


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Re: ROLAND FP-30 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2532368
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OK, I've looked through this thread and may have missed it. I am really excited about this piano! Currently I own an FP4 which is a great piano but I am excited about the supernatural, escapement, improved action, and onboard speakers.

Can anyone comment on the sound of the piano with just the speakers. Is it pretty full? For home use would it work well?
Right now I use external speakers on my FP4 but I'm hoping the FP30 will be good enough on its own.
Thanks and God bless! Jason


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Re: ROLAND FP-30 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2532371
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Thanks! The first video really shows how good it sounds. I think the problem on the second one was the way it was recorded.
One thing that says the FP30 must sound good is that Roland did not put external speaker jacks on it. I realize that you can run it through the headphones, but the speakers must be pretty good for them to make that decision smile


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Re: ROLAND FP-30 [Re: shalomjj] #2532653
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Originally Posted by shalomjj
but the speakers must be pretty good for them to make that decision smile

I will not expect the 2x11W speakers to be as good as lets say 2x30W monitoring speakers or 2x30W HP603 speakers.

I suppose that the absence of line-out plugs deals more with marketing reasons than technical ones.


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Re: ROLAND FP-30 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2532778
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Please correct if I am wrong, but the way I understand it, the FP-30 sends MIDI over Bluetooth to let's say an iPhone/iPad. To hear those sounds I would have to hook up that iOS device to an external speaker system to hear it because the FP-30 does not have an input. Wouldn't it have been easier and smarter just to implement it since the FP-30 already has speakers? Does not really make sense to me. I thought Roland is trying to be family friendly by keeping things simple and tidy in the "living rooms".
And what's up with the pedal 2 jack?


PS: thanks for the replies above pertaining to the missing audio over USB issue


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Re: ROLAND FP-30 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2532779
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All these additional inputs and outputs cost money, guys...


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But then why do they play around with Bluetooth?


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Re: ROLAND FP-30 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2532786
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To allow integration with mobile devices, and perhaps to offer something unique from the competition.


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Re: ROLAND FP-30 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2532806
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All those things that James said.

No need to say anything else.

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Re: ROLAND FP-30 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2532876
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Yeah, I wish they had made it so you could play the built in speakers and add additional speakers as well. But, I realize that they have done an amazing job putting a lot into this piano for the price point.


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Originally Posted by Cmin
But then why do they play around with Bluetooth?

It's like putting a diskette drive into a 90s keyboard: for the sales buzz. wink

Connectors, buttons and displays cost near to nothing and Hongkong-based Medeli shows that they can combine loads of them with a mediocre action and a underwhelming sound and still undercut everyone. So their digitals sell very well, despite being atrocious. Every $200 entry level PC offers more connectivity than an entry level digital piano with a good action and a good sound.

The big four could easily drive that company mentioned before out of the market by simply providing the basics below the $1500 price point: menu-driven operation using a display, headphones, standard 3pedal connector, MIDI IN/OUT, LINE IN/OUT, USB to host/device and then segregate products through firmware functionality. In the end that would save more money than having extra models with less connectors.


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It's about money but not about saving money for a connector wink If you have FP-30 with what is supposed to be very good keyboard, easy MIDI over bluetooth and then audio IN, many people would actually buy it to use it as a controller with external software and thus Roland won't be able to sell their higher end stage pianos, synths, etc. And I don't blame them.

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Re: ROLAND FP-30 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2532905
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The Mediocre action and underwhelming sound in the Medeli's (your words, not mine) are the result of using inexpensive components. Off the shelf type stuff.

The custom processors that run a quality sound engine, and a great keyboard action cost real dough. Not to mention a good speaker system too. Add to that an outstanding reputation for quality control, and extensive R&D...All these things have costs.

It's not as easy as just "choking off" features with firmware. Each physical component has a cost. And when the manufacturer is trying to put as much as they can into a piano, while making sure it comes in under a certain price point, something has to give.

That being said, the FP-30 has a TON of piano focused technology in it. It is a pretty outstanding package for the price. And I have a feeling we're going to sell a ton of them. If early results in Edmonton are any indication, this will be one of our best selling pianos ever.

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I am sure FP-30 will sell in tons. Budget pianos with proper keyboard, good sound and speakers are probably the most sought digital pianos and I guess it was only Roland who didn't have anything in that category until recently. If I am not mistaken Casio started it first with the Privias, Yamaha followed with one of the P-115 predecessors (was it P60?), then Kawai with ES-100. That's a lucrative market and in my opinion FP-30 is the most feature rich and modern of all. Don't forget Roland are currently "disrupting" (I hate that buzz word but couldn't find better one) the market with bringing modeling to the mainstream. I bet Yamaha and Kawai are really busy right now with modeling too smile Roland pianos have never been my cup of tea but I think they are the most progressive company in the field.

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Re: ROLAND FP-30 [Re: JayGVan] #2532926
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What do you mean by mediocre action and underwhelming sound? Is this referring the FP30?
Also, in you subnote you mention that new HP and LX are still modelled. What does that mean?

Thanks!


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Audio in? To me it is tottally irrelevant, the speakers on the FP30 aren't good enough for any application I am interested in.

now Balanced audio outputs is something it is really missing because, if you intend to use it live you are limited to the headphone output that is not balanced and you can introduce noise if the cable is long, etc.

I seriously balanced outputs are pretty common in stuff around that price. So yes it seems crippled.

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Have you tried out the FP30 Speakers?


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C'mon guys, read the posts before posting something in response.

@shalomjj - he was talking about the Medeli piano given as an example by JoeT.

And your second question - it's not the subnote, it's the users signature. It is posted as an irony, because there's a ~50 pages long thread on this forum where countless users have asked countless times if the new HP and LX pianos are really modeled. And then some more users have started asking the same thing and questioning it. After having replied to that question many many times, that signature was posted as a jest I believe. But if you haven't been reading around here for a long time, there was no way of knowing.

@login - name one decent (i.e. from a serious manufacturer) digital piano close to that price that has balanced outputs. Could be that I'm not sufficiently informed, but I don't know any.

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It costed to me 1,5 Euro to build a "decent" line out in my Roland FP-30.....
I guess it´s just marketing...
Every professional musician expect a decent line out in a instrument. Maybe if they put one , they will sell less FP-50 ... (Just my opinion)
We also need a modell without speakers, we don´t need them really, and makes the piano some kilos heavier.
A lot of years ago I owned a technics P-30. For sure the sound and action were totally improved lasts years, but in design and features, that was exactely what a lot of us really needs.
We don´t need displays, recordings, accompaniament, etc....
Just a light instrument with good action, good piano sound, and proper line out.

Roland: We are waiting for the 88 notes version of RD-64. !!!!

Saludos!

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The only digital pianos with balanced outputs I know are stage pianos like the Yamaha CP4, CP1 or CP300, or Kawai MP11... they are not in the price range of the FP-30. Even some stage piano (Yamaha CP40, Kawai MP7, Nord Piano) seem to have only unbalanced outputs.


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
It's about money but not about saving money for a connector wink If you have FP-30 with what is supposed to be very good keyboard, easy MIDI over bluetooth and then audio IN, many people would actually buy it to use it as a controller with external software and thus Roland won't be able to sell their higher end stage pianos, synths, etc. And I don't blame them.

Nobody is going to use a FP-30 as controller with no controller features in the firmware. That was my whole point. Nobody is going to put a flimsy plastic keyboard with an external power brick on stage, which has no zones, no layers, no registrations nor anything.

A display for changing basic settings isn't going to change that, neither is LINE IN/OUT. In fact people with a full studio setup don't even need this, watch the demonstration videos how they get along.

It's only the simple home user who gets into trouble when trying to connect additional speakers, play along something or change a setting.

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How would you compare the FP30 to say the FP4 or FP4F? I have the Roland FP4 and didn't get the FP4F and hear it has the sluggish Ivory G. So, this seems like a great piano with the PHA4, escapement, and supernatural sounds. I am hearing mixed opinions though. Will be glad to hear some reviews from those who own it.


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Originally Posted by Frédéric L
The only digital pianos with balanced outputs...


You don't need balanced outputs. Headphone jacks or outputs, the appropriate cable as short as possible and one or two DI-boxes.

This is not the cheapest model, but one of these is sufficent for example: http://www.radialeng.com/prod2.php


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Originally Posted by Rille Stark
You don't need balanced outputs.

I don't need them (just using a 3m output cable). I was just replying to login (now Balanced audio outputs is something it is really missing because...)


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Ok! smile


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What does the DI box do? I'm assuming it amplifies or clears up the signal?


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