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Re: Grotrian-Steinweg Pianos!? [Re: terrell] #1584247
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Originally Posted by terrell
Dear Ando,
When I was writing my post ,I went to several places on the internet to see if it would be die oder das and found both.I try to be very careful to be correct. I do thank you for correcting my mistake.I hope to keep learning until they they throw dirt on me .There are probably some people who are yelling "Get the shovel"
Again ,thank you
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That's ok. I am a German speaker so those things really hop out at me. I can assure you that "die" is not possible in this context, but good for you for trying to research it.

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Re: Grotrian-Steinweg Pianos!? [Re: hoola] #1584300
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Originally Posted by hoola
Would you please develop your thoughts on the differences between Grotrian and Steinway on sound, performance, design, method of construction. Is one brand more suitable to one kind of music than another and vice-versa?

Not without writing a book….

The Grotrian builds their grands on a separate inner rim (skeleton) which is fairly complete by the time the outer rim is put in place. Their soundboards are crowned differently and are thicknessed differently. Their scales and frames (plates) do not use “tuned-aliquot” string segments. These are the major differences that come to mind but if you were to start studying the differences in detail there would be many more.

The tonal difference between brands always makes one piano more suitable than another for specific types of music. These, of course, are often personal preferences and are best left to others who are far more qualified then I to expound on them..

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Re: Grotrian-Steinweg Pianos!? [Re: PassingBy] #1584322
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If you want to see some of those build differences on display -- for instance the process of assembling the piano separate from the rim, here's an old thread from my 2007 visit to the factory.

Grotrian visit

Re: Grotrian-Steinweg Pianos!? [Re: PassingBy] #1584376
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Aren't you contradicting yourself there? Maybe the Steinway is as good, just different to the brands you mentioned. You made the comparison this time.


Not by intent.

Perhaps as German speaker [thinker] myself, my thoughts may not always come across as clear in English.

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Re: Grotrian-Steinweg Pianos!? [Re: PassingBy] #1584458
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Having seen and heard the Clara Schumann Grotrian Steinweg in the municipal museum in Braunschweg, I was struck by the similarities between that piano and a Steinway of the same vintage (last quarter of 19th century) when the designs ot Theodore Steinway was still common to both factories. While the Steinway has changed very little, the Grotrian is now vastly different.
As an aside, do I remember correctly that a Grotrian Steinweg grand that I tuned regularly inthe 1960's had a duplicate long bridge on the underside of the soundboard, following the line of the bridge on the top, sort of like a reflection, being the same dimensions?. I only ever saw the one with this desighn feature.

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Re: Grotrian-Steinweg Pianos!? [Re: PassingBy] #1584459
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In my piano search this year I played and listened to hundreds of pianos. Played all big brands I think, except I never hit on Fazioli.

I really liked the Grotrian 189 that I have now.

More on my grotrian here
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1533991

Two recordings here

http://abf.make247.co.uk/recital_files/Recital_19/28.%20wouter79%20-%20Ases%20Tot.mp3

http://www.ecital.net/comment.php?id=200

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What are these??? and are they any good?
i read about them in a book, and did some research. they seem to be good (made in germany).


You found the answers already grin Yes it's true, they are top quality instruments.

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Websites say that they are the original 'steinway', and are better than the other 'Steinway & Sons' in the concert halls, some say otherwise. Can somebody tell me about these ? frown


For build quality, yes they are top. As said above, they sound different from Steinway&Sons.

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Also, what is the price on the instrument and is it worth it?


http://bluebookofpianos.com/pin.html#Grotrian

And yes they are worth it, I remember larry fine rated them as top quality (tier 1) but a bit cheaper than the others in the same class.


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Re: Grotrian-Steinweg Pianos!? [Re: PassingBy] #2531446
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Good morning! I have acquired a Steinweg Nachf. Grotrian Braunschweig piano with a home sale. I'm curious of value and origin if anyone has any insight! How do I add pictures to here?

Re: Grotrian-Steinweg Pianos!? [Re: Del] #2531448
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What are these??? and are they any good? i read about them in a book, and did some research. they seem to be good (made in germany). Websites say that they are the original 'steinway', and are better than the other 'Steinway & Sons' in the concert halls, some say otherwise. Can somebody tell me about these ? frown

Also, what is the price on the instrument and is it worth it?

When my wife and I were married on Christmas Eve day some 38 years ago, the little church we had chosen had a Baldwin Acrosonic spinet piano. As I did not particularly want to listen to a spinet piano during my wedding ceremony (with its emphasis on piano music), and since we sold Grotrian-Steinweg pianos at the time, we moved a 208 cm Grotrian-Steinveg grand into the church for the event. Rather surprised the regular parishioners when they arrived for their regular Sunday morning service! The piano sounded wonderful and—although I don’t know how much the piano had to do with it—Barb and I are still happily married.

Grotrians are excellent pianos but should not be compared with Steinway. They are certainly in the same league in terms of build quality but their sound and performance differs significantly. Their designs are quite different as is their method of construction; consequently they also sound quite different. You can read what a couple of technicians had to say about Grotrian’s in the fall issue of PianoBuyer here: http://www.pianobuyer.com/fall10/80.html.

The company lost the right to use the “Steinweg” portion of the name (in the U.S. at least) following a lawsuit decided back in the 1970s (if memory serves). The pianos are now known as Grotrian pianos.

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I think the court decisions date back to the 30s or 40s. I read the opinions. Interesting stuff...


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Re: Grotrian-Steinweg Pianos!? [Re: lindsnorth] #2531451
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Is it an upright or a grand? Could be an interesting piano depending on date of manufacture. It won't have any special value in the market beyond present condition and utility.

Try to get pictures that show the inside of the piano.


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Re: Grotrian-Steinweg Pianos!? [Re: lilylady] #2531453
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Originally Posted by lilylady
Some pianos 'get' to us.

While I enjoy playing many high end grand pianos, there are 3 that have haunted me.

3 that have begged me to sit awhile and enjoy the music I was playing.

3 that would be mine, if I could.

First was a MH BB in rosewood that was at the factory.

Second was a Grotrian Charis at Cathy Harls Pianos where we played several high end pianos during a Piano Party Weekend. It was the Charis which now haunts me the most.

Third was a Steingraeber Concert Grand prepped by Pianocraft. In my dreams I still play that piano!

So yes, I highly recommend Grotrian pianos. Have you yet read The Piano Book / Piano Buyer (also online)? It is advertised on the side. We also have a great archive here on PW where you can search and read more about what players, techs, and pros think about the Grotrians. BTW where are you located?


You have excellent taste in pianos, Lilylady.

I know that particular Steingraeber concert grand pretty well. It's a lovely instrument.


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Some Grotrian grand pianos not only sound good, they look good too. My Grotrian 192.

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Jst before I got my C Bechstein B I had the chance of a slightly longer Grotrian Steinweg. It would have been perfect and looked absolutely gorgeous. Then my technician looked at it and gave it the thumbs down. Apparently an unskilled or amateur technician had tried to work on it. I was bitterly disappointed.

Then when I was looking for a 9' I played a Grotrian Steinweg at the music expo in SHanghai. It was as good a piano as any there- far better than most. Eventually the aliquots of the Bluthner, and an unbelievable deal, meant I missed a GS again but if ever I get another......

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