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Re: A Chopin etude I could get ready in 2 months? [Re: Mark_C] #2530854
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25/9 (The Butterfly) might come together for you quickly, if it fits your hand. Otherwise, it's very thorny (has always been so for me).

Well, this gets into what do they mean by etude.

I don't think this would fit would they mean -- nor would pieces like Op. 10 #3. I think they'd think the person is missing the point and trying to just sneak through.


If they want a group of etudes, something of a "breather" might be OK between two virtuostic/bravura ones. If they only want one or two biggies, then yes.

Well played always trumps slop. 😀

How about tossing off Winter Wind, Aeolian Harp, Butterfly, Ocean? ha


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Re: A Chopin etude I could get ready in 2 months? [Re: WhoDwaldi] #2530863
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BTW I'm not sure "Ocean" would really meet it either.

I mean, it would, but I think it's seen sort of as the 'virtuoso etude' that people pick because they don't really play virtuoso etudes. But yeah, you could get away with it.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
BTW I'm not sure "Ocean" would really meet it either.

I mean, it would, but I think it's seen sort of as the 'virtuoso etude' that people pick because they don't really play virtuoso etudes. But yeah, you could get away with it.


You know, that's right! (I used to hear fairly mediocre people grinding away on that one pretty well in practice rooms--I shouldn't say that!!!!! ha ha laugh )

I looked up what Juilliard thinks (given the entrance requirements) just for kicks, which would seem to rule out many "ordinary" etudes as virtuostic or substantial enough. Of course, as far as Svenno is concerned, we really don't know what requirements are being chased.

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The entire audition program should reach a minimum of 45 minutes. Shorter programs may be subject to approval by the piano faculty.

Bach: A prelude and fugue from The Well-Tempered Clavier or another work containing a fugue. (No transcriptions permitted.)

One of the following:
An entire sonata by Beethoven (excluding Opp. 14, 49, and 79), or
One of the following Haydn sonatas: Hob. 20, 23, 32, 46, 49, 50, 52, or
One of the following Mozart sonatas: K. 281, 284, 310, 332, 333, 457, 533, or 576, or
One of the following Schubert sonatas: D. 568, 664, 784, 845, 850, 894, 958, 959, 960, or the Wanderer Fantasie, D. 760.

A substantial composition by Chopin, Schumann, Brahms, Liszt, or Mendelssohn. (Etudes, nocturnes, short dances, waltzes, or comparable pieces are not acceptable.)

Two virtuosic etudes:
one by Chopin, and
one by Bartók, Debussy, Ligeti, Liszt, Prokofiev, Rachmaninoff, Scriabin, or Stravinsky.

A substantial work, or a collection of shorter works, of the applicant’s choice which is: in a different style and by a composer other than those represented in the previous requirements, and not less than six minutes.


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Re: A Chopin etude I could get ready in 2 months? [Re: NervousWreck123] #2530883
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25/12? It's tiring, but you can learn the notes quickly, and memorization will be very easy, so you can focus the majority of your time on the stamina and technical difficulties.

Re: A Chopin etude I could get ready in 2 months? [Re: NervousWreck123] #2530888
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How amazing would you have to be to get in to Juilliard with Haydn Hob. XVI:23 or Schubert D. 568?

Re: A Chopin etude I could get ready in 2 months? [Re: NervousWreck123] #2530900
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OP never said it had to be a "virtuosic" etude , just that it should not be one of the slow ones.

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Re: A Chopin etude I could get ready in 2 months? [Re: boo1234] #2530901
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Originally Posted by boo1234
OP never said it had to be a "virtuosic" etude , just that it should not be one of the slow ones.

I know. I'm trying to get at what they probably mean, and how they'd react to one or another choice.

Re: A Chopin etude I could get ready in 2 months? [Re: NervousWreck123] #2530941
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Thank you all. But for now, I chose op. 10 no. 8 smile

(I may be wrong, but for me it seems that Debussy etudes focus a bit more on tone quality, and the Chopin etudes more on technique... So that's why I chose the Chopin.

But when I mentioned my teacher that I thought the Debussy etudes are easier than Chopin's, he got genuinely mad...)


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Re: A Chopin etude I could get ready in 2 months? [Re: NervousWreck123] #2530948
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Originally Posted by Svenno
Thank you all. But for now, I chose op. 10 no. 8 smile

(I may be wrong, but for me it seems that Debussy etudes focus a bit more on tone quality, and the Chopin etudes more on technique... So that's why I chose the Chopin.

But when I mentioned my teacher that I thought the Debussy etudes are easier than Chopin's, he got genuinely mad...)


I don't understand. Isn't technique the way to reliably get good tone quality? I don't think technique only covers how many notes one can play per second. I think it includes dynamic control (which influences tone quality) among other things.

Not sure I agree in regards to the Debussy Etudes being easier, but I've only read a few, and only know a handful of the Chopin Etudes, so I'm not sure I'm the best judge.

Anyways, good luck with learning the Etude.

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Originally Posted by Svenno
Thank you all. But for now, I chose op. 10 no. 8 smile

I don't know about getting it ready for performance and competition in 2 months, but if you feel you can....

BTW a recommendation: Go for grace and fluidity more than for speed. I mean yeah, it needs to be fast -- but not at the expense of grace and fluidity.

P.S. It doesn't really have a nickname, maybe thankfully so. I've sometimes seen it called the Passage etude. But anyway I call it the Beefaroni Etude. grin


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Originally Posted by Mark_C
nor would pieces like Op. 10 #3. I think they'd think the person is missing the point and trying to just sneak through.

Not if you play Op 10 no 3 legato with no pedal except at the 3 marked points for pedal grin then it's really an etude.


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Re: A Chopin etude I could get ready in 2 months? [Re: Mark_C] #2531112
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Originally Posted by Mark_C
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Thank you all. But for now, I chose op. 10 no. 8 smile

BTW a recommendation: Go for grace and fluidity more than for speed. I mean yeah, it needs to be fast -- but not at the expense of grace and fluidity.


Oh I know... My biggest problem now, by far, IS fluidity - to be precise: evenness in scales.

At every single thumb crossing, the note my thumb lands on is banged out at 2x the volume of the rest of the notes.

I'm trying to practice scales extremely slowly and evenly, but right now, it has had no effect. Hopefully, with the help of my teacher, we can root this problem out.

And that is the reason I thought op. 10 no. 8 would be best for me... In Debussy, you can cover up all of the unevenness with pedal. In this etude, you can't.

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How can you get an entire Chopin Etude ready in 2 months? I've spent two months on 10/12 and I'm halfway through, slow as a snail and all over the place. Should it not take me this long? Im worried, especially because I'll be starting on my BM this fall and if Im given two months to learn anything I'll cry

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Svenno, You are a good pianist with a strong technique, and you know your own limitations. It's quite possible for you to get a Chopin Etude ready to performance standard in two months, and when a teacher says they've spent a year or ten trying to master a piece, usually that means they're working on higher things than merely the notes.

Op.10 No.4 is actually quite playable, and so is No.8. Yes, they're difficult, but with diligent, slow practice, I think you could get it up to scratch in 6 weeks and then spend two weeks polishing it. And yes, throughout your lifetime the pieces will change, and five years from now you'll think that you didn't play it as well as you'd be capable of then, but I think that if you take Op.10 No.4, within a month you'd be able to play it at half speed, perfectly, with all the dynamics and phrasing in the right place, and within a couple of weeks after that, you'll have the tempo up.

I'm not saying it'll be an easy job, but you're someone who obviously spends a lot of time practising, and you obviously have a lot of ability. Just go for it. You'll do a grand job.

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Originally Posted by itsfreakingmeout
How can you get an entire Chopin Etude ready in 2 months? I've spent two months on 10/12 and I'm halfway through, slow as a snail and all over the place. Should it not take me this long? Im worried, especially because I'll be starting on my BM this fall and if Im given two months to learn anything I'll cry


Don't worry (too much ha ). While you will generally be expected to work things up faster (than before) in conservatory, your teacher should help appropriately pace learning and managing repertoire. Contact your conservatory teacher--he or she might let you start learning your first semester pieces over the summer to ease some of the burden of being an overwhelmed freshman. 😀


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