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I know there are a lot of you here that have more experience with Chopin etudes than I do.

I have an exam coming two months, and I need one more etude amongst the other pieces.

My teacher did recommend me that I should take a Debussy one, not a Chopin since there's not enough time.

But It doesn't have to be op. 10 no. 2, or op. 25 no. 11... Surely there are some, that can be "mastered" in a shorter period of time?

Perhaps you could recommend me one? Except for the octave etude and the slow ones.

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Have you learned any of them before? Some people spend years mastering them. I remember one of my professors from college told me that he had spent the better part of 10 years trying to master something (Op. 10 No. 1) that a teenager had probably written in a few days time. Different people struggle with different etudes.

Personally, I think the F minor etudes are among the simplest (Op. 10 No. 9 and Op. 25 No. 2) non "slow ones", and also the least impressive.

On a side note, what is the point of having a teacher if you are going to take advice from random people on the internet over the teacher?

Edit: I found this thread which also addresses this question (see stevebob's reply): http://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=36282.0

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Originally Posted by benjamink
Have you learned any of them before? Some people spend years mastering them. I remember one of my professors from college told me that he had spent the better part of 10 years trying to master something (Op. 10 No. 1) that a teenager had probably written in a few days time. Different people struggle with different etudes.

Personally, I think the F minor etudes are among the simplest (Op. 10 No. 9 and Op. 25 No. 2) non "slow ones", and also the least impressive.

On a side note, what is the point of having a teacher if you are going to take advice from random people on the internet over the teacher?

Edit: I found this thread which also addresses this question (see stevebob's reply): http://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=36282.0


The op. 25 no. 2 was actually the first one I learned.

The. Op. 10 no. 12,

And then op. 25 no. 6. That... Didn't gi too well.

I did ask my teacher, but he said that he'll leave me alone with my choice of an etude. So I didn't bother asking him again.

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Why not do Op. 10/3? Just because it's lyrical doesn't mean it's easy, and it might be the single best piece of music Chopin ever wrote.

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Originally Posted by Svenno
My teacher did recommend me that I should take a Debussy one, not a Chopin since there's not enough time.

Is your teacher for real????


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Don't see any of the Chopin etudes being 'ready' in just 2 months. It can take a lifetime to master these.



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Re: A Chopin etude I could get ready in 2 months? [Re: NervousWreck123] #2530660
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Assuming you mean one of the "virtuoso" etudes, supposedly Rachmaninoff said he wouldn't think of performing one unless he'd been working on it for a year.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Assuming you mean one of the "virtuoso" etudes, supposedly Rachmaninoff said he wouldn't think of performing one unless he'd been working on it for a year.


What has HE done recently? wink


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"Get ready" for what kind of exam? Also, there's no indication of how much time you could spend on this piece each day,i.e. how well you know the rest of your exam pieces.

Several posters have talked about so much time needed to "master" some of the etudes, but one person's acceptable is another person's master.

Can you use one of the Etudes you've already studied?

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Originally Posted by Svenno

But It doesn't have to be op. 10 no. 2, or op. 25 no. 11... Surely there are some, that can be "mastered" in a shorter period of time?

Perhaps you could recommend me one? Except for the octave etude and the slow ones.


Op.25/1 - lots of repetitive figuration.

All you need to do is get the voicing right wink .


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The butterfly one?

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One of the three "new" etudes?


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Re: A Chopin etude I could get ready in 2 months? [Re: NervousWreck123] #2530686
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Op. 25, No. 12. Try the first couple measures. See how they feel and how quickly you can get them up to tempo. Except for a few of the arpeggios with some trickier hand positions, it's mostly just more of the same. There are some parts that require attention to voicing, but other than that, more than any of the etudes, it involves really one specific motion. Harmonically it is very easy to follow, so it can be memorized rather quickly. Musically, well . . .


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Originally Posted by DameMyra
Musically, well . . .

Two words and ellipsis that carry rather a lot of meaning! I spent years playing this piece with most of the notes correct and in the correct order, until I received some constructive - and destructive - criticism that opened my eyes to the fact that I had missed both the technical and the musical purposes (which, in Chopin's etudes amount to pretty much the same thing) of the piece and needed to start learning it all over again. So yes, it's not that difficult to play the notes, but start by recognizing that this is a legato etude with subtle variations in harmonic rhythm and that it has melodies.


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Originally Posted by boo1234
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Interesting example. It's not a "virtuoso" etude -- but I don't think it's a 2-month one either. I think it's closer to the Rachmaninoff-1-year category.

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25/9 (The Butterfly) might come together for you quickly, if it fits your hand. Otherwise, it's very thorny (has always been so for me).





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Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
25/9 (The Butterfly) might come together for you quickly, if it fits your hand. Otherwise, it's very thorny (has always been so for me).

Well, this gets into what do they mean by etude.

I don't think this would fit would they mean -- nor would pieces like Op. 10 #3. I think they'd think the person is missing the point and trying to just sneak through.

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I would do Op 25 no 9 since the rhythm is easy and the piece is very short, just under a minute long. That's the "butterfly" etude for anyone going by name. Other than the octaves which is tiring, I think it's easy to get under the hand and memorize.

In my opinion the Rach etudes and Debussy etudes are far more challenging than many of Chopin's etudes.

Edit: I see this etude has been recommended a few times already after I posted and read the 2nd page haha. Still I think this is a fun etude.

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Er, this is really impossible to say, since it depends on the person right?

Out of the fast ones, op.10 no.12 and op.25 no.12 I think can realistically be played in 2 months if you have strong technique.

It goes without saying that there are no humans who can play op.10 no.1,2 or op.25 no.6 in 2 months comfortably.

There's plenty of Chopin etudes that are not as much of a challenge but I don't know if they're hard enough for an exam.

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25/9 (The Butterfly) might come together for you quickly, if it fits your hand. Otherwise, it's very thorny (has always been so for me).

Well, this gets into what do they mean by etude.

I don't think this would fit would they mean -- nor would pieces like Op. 10 #3. I think they'd think the person is missing the point and trying to just sneak through.


If they want a group of etudes, something of a "breather" might be OK between two virtuostic/bravura ones. If they only want one or two biggies, then yes.

Well played always trumps slop. 😀

How about tossing off Winter Wind, Aeolian Harp, Butterfly, Ocean? ha


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BTW I'm not sure "Ocean" would really meet it either.

I mean, it would, but I think it's seen sort of as the 'virtuoso etude' that people pick because they don't really play virtuoso etudes. But yeah, you could get away with it.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
BTW I'm not sure "Ocean" would really meet it either.

I mean, it would, but I think it's seen sort of as the 'virtuoso etude' that people pick because they don't really play virtuoso etudes. But yeah, you could get away with it.


You know, that's right! (I used to hear fairly mediocre people grinding away on that one pretty well in practice rooms--I shouldn't say that!!!!! ha ha laugh )

I looked up what Juilliard thinks (given the entrance requirements) just for kicks, which would seem to rule out many "ordinary" etudes as virtuostic or substantial enough. Of course, as far as Svenno is concerned, we really don't know what requirements are being chased.

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The entire audition program should reach a minimum of 45 minutes. Shorter programs may be subject to approval by the piano faculty.

Bach: A prelude and fugue from The Well-Tempered Clavier or another work containing a fugue. (No transcriptions permitted.)

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25/12? It's tiring, but you can learn the notes quickly, and memorization will be very easy, so you can focus the majority of your time on the stamina and technical difficulties.

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OP never said it had to be a "virtuosic" etude , just that it should not be one of the slow ones.

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Originally Posted by boo1234
OP never said it had to be a "virtuosic" etude , just that it should not be one of the slow ones.

I know. I'm trying to get at what they probably mean, and how they'd react to one or another choice.

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Thank you all. But for now, I chose op. 10 no. 8 smile

(I may be wrong, but for me it seems that Debussy etudes focus a bit more on tone quality, and the Chopin etudes more on technique... So that's why I chose the Chopin.

But when I mentioned my teacher that I thought the Debussy etudes are easier than Chopin's, he got genuinely mad...)


I was a lazy piece of crap as a kid - so despite having some obvious talent, I will never get far, never win any international competitions or play in important venues - even if I practiced 35 hours a day now. It's too late.
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Originally Posted by Svenno
Thank you all. But for now, I chose op. 10 no. 8 smile

(I may be wrong, but for me it seems that Debussy etudes focus a bit more on tone quality, and the Chopin etudes more on technique... So that's why I chose the Chopin.

But when I mentioned my teacher that I thought the Debussy etudes are easier than Chopin's, he got genuinely mad...)


I don't understand. Isn't technique the way to reliably get good tone quality? I don't think technique only covers how many notes one can play per second. I think it includes dynamic control (which influences tone quality) among other things.

Not sure I agree in regards to the Debussy Etudes being easier, but I've only read a few, and only know a handful of the Chopin Etudes, so I'm not sure I'm the best judge.

Anyways, good luck with learning the Etude.

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Originally Posted by Svenno
Thank you all. But for now, I chose op. 10 no. 8 smile

I don't know about getting it ready for performance and competition in 2 months, but if you feel you can....

BTW a recommendation: Go for grace and fluidity more than for speed. I mean yeah, it needs to be fast -- but not at the expense of grace and fluidity.

P.S. It doesn't really have a nickname, maybe thankfully so. I've sometimes seen it called the Passage etude. But anyway I call it the Beefaroni Etude. grin


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