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Tuner satisfaction playing their own piano? #2528719
04/08/16 04:17 AM
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As an amateur tuner I am finding it hard not to constantly be aware of the tuning of my piano. This is even after I finish a tuning.

I'm sure that subconsciously my brain is listening for unison beating and it can spoil my playing.

Once I am conscious of the beating my playing is less enjoyable.

Is this a common symptom?

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Re: Tuner satisfaction playing their own piano? [Re: Beemer] #2528757
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I can turn my "tuning ear" on and off. As you are experiencing it's no fun to evaluate every piano you hear for tuning issues.




Re: Tuner satisfaction playing their own piano? [Re: Beemer] #2528761
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I have only been tuning for 3 years (amateur status) and I find that I can finally turn off my tuner's ear for practicing, but not for playing.

Re: Tuner satisfaction playing their own piano? [Re: Beemer] #2528778
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Yes. I didn't expect it to happen, but I suppose it's natural. I've decided not to tune my piano any more for now for that very reason. I just help out people that can't afford to get theirs tuned.


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Re: Tuner satisfaction playing their own piano? [Re: Beemer] #2528779
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I'm in a similar situation to prout's. Been tuning for 5 years, and can gradually switch off my tuner's ear when I just want to practise (or play), provided it's not too bad.

By the way, I've owned a set of CDs with Beethoven's piano concertos, with Murray Perahia and the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra under Bernard Haitink. I have owned these since 2001, and had always been impressed with the recordings, the soloist, the orchestra, the piano, everything... I took a few years' break from them, but recently, I started listening to them again - for the first time since starting to tune. And lo and behold, suddenly there was a howling unison at D5 that I'd never spotted before. It's like a sore tooth. In fact, I'm surprised they didn't fix it and re-record.

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Re: Tuner satisfaction playing their own piano? [Re: Mark R.] #2528781
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Originally Posted by Mark R.
[...] And lo and behold, suddenly there was a howling unison at D5 that I'd never spotted before. It's like a sore tooth. In fact, I'm surprised they didn't fix it and re-record.



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Re: Tuner satisfaction playing their own piano? [Re: Beemer] #2528805
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Oh yes, I hate hearing poor unisons in recordings; very frustrating.

Re: Tuner satisfaction playing their own piano? [Re: Beemer] #2528819
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Like Mark R, I now find my critical ear, sadly, goes to the piano tuning and disturbs my musical enjoyment of the performance, especially in live classical music.

I am more tolerant of live jazz for some reason, maybe because many of the early jazz recordings I own have out of tune pianos and that is how I first learned to love jazz.

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I am tuning for about two months now (using Entropy Piano Tuner). Every time I hear a slightly out of tune key or unison I think: woeppie, let do some touch up tuning and I am so pleased that I can do it myself. It does not take long. After that I enjoy my piano 200%.

It has made me love my grand so much more because I never have to play an out of tune piano any more. It is so impressive to listen to a well tuned piano!

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There was a band on TV last night - quite good - but when he changed from the digital to the acoustic grand, the tuning on the grand was awful. Pitch was a bit off, unisons were so so, but the temperament and octaves were off. It grated on me so much I changed the channel.




Re: Tuner satisfaction playing their own piano? [Re: Bob] #2530353
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After 10yrs with an RX3 and 2 restored Steinway Os, ive given up the idea of tuning and playing. I stopped tuning, but the damage had been done. For those who have trainrd their ears to turn off, congratulations! For me, i ended up spending more time tuning than practicing, and I now cant play an acoustic without wincing.

End result, I've bought an Avant Grande N2, and my playing has improved no end with the increased practice time. Yes, i notice the odd badly tuned note in the sample, but somehow, because it cant be tuned, its not a problem - and of course its the same whatever variation the English weather brings!

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Re: Tuner satisfaction playing their own piano? [Re: Beemer] #2530490
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I work as both a tuner and a performer and have done so for close to forty years. Once in a while I will find myself playing on a piano that I have previously tuned and I do so quite happily. Occasionally however I am asked to tune and play an instrument on the same day (typically tuning in the late afternoon then performing during the evening) and when this happens I always find myself listening to the tuning rather than concentrating on playing well. It is oddly unsettling.


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