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#2517169 - 03/03/16 03:29 PM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan]  
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I decided to purchase the LX7, and I am really excited about it! It sounds so great!
Anyway, it seems that the version in my region does not have Bluetooth in it.
Anyone knows if an external Bluetooth dongle can be used with it? (If it can, any requirements from it? Or any ordinary dongle should work?)
Same questions asked about WiFi.

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#2517175 - 03/03/16 04:02 PM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan]  
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No BT? Which region are you? Did you already update to the most recent firmware and test?


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#2517177 - 03/03/16 04:06 PM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: Hendrik42]  
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In Israel. It's also stated in their website\documents (and I was told so by the retailer):
"Please be aware that depending on the country in which you
purchased the unit, Bluetooth functionality might not be
included.
If Bluetooth functionality is included the Bluetooth logo appears when you turn on the power"

And I did not get it yet, just ordered it today smile

#2517195 - 03/03/16 05:11 PM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: barakbk]  
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Originally Posted by barakbk
In Israel. It's also stated in their website\documents (and I was told so by the retailer):
"Please be aware that depending on the country in which you
purchased the unit, Bluetooth functionality might not be
included.
If Bluetooth functionality is included the Bluetooth logo appears when you turn on the power"

And I did not get it yet, just ordered it today smile

That sucks, I wonder why is that?

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#2517214 - 03/03/16 06:52 PM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: Nordomus]  
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Originally Posted by Nordomus
That sucks, I wonder why is that?


I believe this is because wireless devices require regional EMC safety testing/certification in order to be sold in each market.

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#2517275 - 03/04/16 01:42 AM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: Kawai James]  
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Originally Posted by Nordomus
That sucks, I wonder why is that?


I believe this is because wireless devices require regional EMC safety testing/certification in order to be sold in each market.

James
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Yes, that's basically the reason. I guess it's harder to authorize such devices here in Israel. (And probably more expensive...)
It sucks, but I have to accept that.. That's why I am looking for an alternative.
I saw that Roland has a WiFi adapter listed on their website:
http://www.roland.com/products/wna1100-rl/
I wonder if it can work on the new series, as the specifications don't mention the new ones.

#2517284 - 03/04/16 02:15 AM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan]  
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As far as I'm aware, neither the apps nor the DP itself have wifi functionality, so bluetooth is the only way of connecting.

#2517292 - 03/04/16 02:36 AM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan]  
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Hi barakbk - Having no BT is not the end of the world as you still have all the sockets on the headphone amp box. The BT MIDI is very hit-and-miss at the moment for the 1.05 firmware (as widely discussed on this forum), and whilst it is nice to be able to use the DP as a speaker, this will not stop you using the rest of the DP's functions. You will still be able to use the Piano Designer app on an iPad (and GarageBand etc.) by buying a Apple iPad camera adaptor kit (I have this and it all works), and you will still be able to transfer audio and MIDI data both ways through the sockets. BT is nice, but it has latency issues so it's not the be-all and end-all, as we say in the UK.

#2517319 - 03/04/16 06:01 AM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: Composergirl]  
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Originally Posted by Composergirl
What are your thougths on key noise?
Do you hear the keys clicking when you play the new Roland HP models?

Hi Composergirl. I read your other post where you struggled between Roland HP-603 and Kawai CA-67. I know that you need relatively quiet piano or piano that is played on minimum volume. Am I right :p

I have Roland LX-7. The sound is there. It's quiet but if you are going to play on minimum volume, the sound can be heard. It's not plastic, not clicking, nothing like that, it's not annoying at least to me but it could be significant for you. You might want to make sure it's ok.

EDIT. Also just a though. As your piano is to be set in really small space, would you consider buying a stage piano (slab) and small speakers / monitors? That would make you more flexible to set up everything and sometimes avoid annoying resonances. Also it could take less space.

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#2517845 - 03/05/16 06:16 PM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: Celdor]  
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I'm not sure if I want to play only at minimum volume. I didn't have problems with volume on Roland HP603, I could play and enjoy on about 60% and still get pp out. It was Kawai CA67 that was loud enough already on 30/40%.
Key noise was less heard on Kawai. I will check the keys on Roland again...

Yes, I was considering Yamaha CP4, but afterwards I decided to go for a home piano with build in speakers. Just have to choose smile

#2517846 - 03/05/16 06:25 PM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan]  
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How can I know if the USB on the LX7 can be used for WiFi\Bluetooth Adapters? The manual doesn't mention that. (And I see that the manuals for the previous series specifically mention the WiFi adapters)
I really want to be able to control it one of these two ways.
Where can I contact Roland support team?
If it isn't supported at the moment, I hope that they will add this support somewhen... seems really reasonable to do so.

@roytheboy - Your'e using the USB to transfer MIDI? Do you need to set something in order to do so? (I guess that it should work with Android as well, right?)

Thanks

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#2517850 - 03/05/16 06:35 PM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: barakbk]  
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Originally Posted by barakbk
How can I know if the USB on the LX7 can be used for WiFi\Bluetooth Adapters? The manual doesn't mention that. (And I see that the manuals for the previous series specifically mention the WiFi adapters)
Thanks


I'm 99.99999% sure that the Wifi stick is NOT supported on this series. The bluetooth restriction is region dependent, and there's no real way around it. Either way the USB Port is for USB Memory sticks, and it doesn't support the Wifi dongle for sure. I have one here and just tried it out on the LX-7 I have to be sure.

There are several disclaimers on our websites explaining the regional restrictions.

Jay


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#2517853 - 03/05/16 06:42 PM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan]  
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Originally Posted by barakbk
How can I know if the USB on the LX7 can be used for WiFi\Bluetooth Adapters? The manual doesn't mention that. (And I see that the manuals for the previous series specifically mention the WiFi adapters)
Thanks


I'm 99.99999% sure that the Wifi stick is NOT supported on this series. The bluetooth restriction is region dependent, and there's no real way around it. Either way the USB Port is for USB Memory sticks, and it doesn't support the Wifi dongle for sure. I have one here and just tried it out on the LX-7 I have to be sure.

There are several disclaimers on our websites explaining the regional restrictions.

Jay


Yes, I've read these disclaimers and I was told so by the retailer's people. (Which, by the way, told me that the WiFi dongles should work)
However, I think that it should easily be possible to add compatibility with WiFi sticks (or even Bluetooth ones) in the next firmware updates.
Is this something that can be considered, or atleast added to the "wishlist"? (Legal-wise as well)

Regarding Piano Designer - I guess that it should be usable with the second USB port (with an adapter to the Android Mobile), am I correct?

And thanks!

#2517856 - 03/05/16 06:53 PM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: barakbk]  
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Originally Posted by barakbk
Originally Posted by Jay Roland
Originally Posted by barakbk
How can I know if the USB on the LX7 can be used for WiFi\Bluetooth Adapters? The manual doesn't mention that. (And I see that the manuals for the previous series specifically mention the WiFi adapters)
Thanks


I'm 99.99999% sure that the Wifi stick is NOT supported on this series. The bluetooth restriction is region dependent, and there's no real way around it. Either way the USB Port is for USB Memory sticks, and it doesn't support the Wifi dongle for sure. I have one here and just tried it out on the LX-7 I have to be sure.

There are several disclaimers on our websites explaining the regional restrictions.

Jay


Yes, I've read these disclaimers and I was told so by the retailer's people. (Which, by the way, told me that the WiFi dongles should work)
However, I think that it should easily be possible to add compatibility with WiFi sticks (or even Bluetooth ones) in the next firmware updates.
Is this something that can be considered, or atleast added to the "wishlist"? (Legal-wise as well)

Regarding Piano Designer - I guess that it should be usable with the second USB port (with an adapter to the Android Mobile), am I correct?

And thanks!


It's hardware, not software that will dictate that capability.

The problem there is that a Wifi or Bluetooth dongle both require power. I don't know if the hardware is even installed to provide the power required through that USB port.

On these pianos that port is a reader/writer. Not a power source.

I don't think a firmware update could add that capability at all.

I've never tried a wired connection with Piano Designer. And don't have a camera connection kit here to even try it out on my iPad. So i can't tell you for sure if that will work.

I'm sorry your retailer got it wrong.

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#2517857 - 03/05/16 06:54 PM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: barakbk]  
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@roytheboy - Your'e using the USB to transfer MIDI? Do you need to set something in order to do so? (I guess that it should work with Android as well, right?)

The LX/HP pianos have a USB 2.0 B socket, through which is output MIDI data. This is actually better in some respects than than using BT as it has no latency. What you connect it to is up to you, but standard MIDI data comes out of it. If you have an iPad, you can connect the device to the DP's socket using a USB 2.0 A to B lead, and an Apple lightning camera adapter.

I don't have an Android device, but for sure it will depend on the particular device you have and what interfaces it is equipped with. Obviously you will also need an app that is capable of recognising MIDI data. On the iPad this includes GarageBand and Roland's Piano Designer app.

I know you are disappointed about the radio transmission regs and laws in your country (which is what Roland has to abide with), but a lack of BT is, as I said before, not the end of the world.

[edit: correct name of Roland app.]

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#2517861 - 03/05/16 07:03 PM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan]  
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barakbk - it's just taken me 30 seconds to find this 2012 article about an Android equivalent to Apple's camera connection kit, so I'm sure by now, three years later, that you will probably be spoilt for choice if you Google what's available for whatever tablet or phone you have > http://www.cnet.com/how-to/clever-adapter-connects-usb-accessories-to-your-android-device/

#2517864 - 03/05/16 07:12 PM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: roytheboy]  
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Actually I found the Piano Designer's PDF, and it says that it is possible to connect with an Android smartphone\tablet using a USB type A to B connector.
I don't have one for trying, but I will purchase one, as it seems that it should work.

In any case, I wonder how can I forward request to the developers, such as new feature requests.

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Originally Posted by barakbk
In any case, I wonder how can I forward request to the developers, such as new feature requests.


That will go through your local branch of Roland. That's the best way.

Jay


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#2518244 - 03/06/16 06:37 PM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: barakbk]  
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Originally Posted by barakbk
Actually I found the Piano Designer's PDF, and it says that it is possible to connect with an Android smartphone\tablet using a USB type A to B connector.
I don't have one for trying, but I will purchase one, as it seems that it should work.


Curiousity got the best of me, so I ran out and got a camera connection kit. I Can confirm that a USB A/B Cable and the camera connection kit, allow the Piano Designer app to be used on my old iPad using a wired connection.

Hope this helps.

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Did it work out-of-the-box? (Without changing any configurations or doing anything special?)
I tried it with my Galaxy S6, and it didn't seem to work. (I think that it's the cable's fault though...)
I can't wait to try out the two presets available at the moment!

In any case, thank you! smile

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Originally Posted by barakbk
Did it work out-of-the-box? (Without changing any configurations or doing anything special?)
I tried it with my Galaxy S6, and it didn't seem to work. (I think that it's the cable's fault though...)
I can't wait to try out the two presets available at the moment!

In any case, thank you! smile


I didn't do any special configuration. I'm on iOS though.

Plug and play with a really old (2 I think) iPad.

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#2519097 - 03/09/16 08:29 AM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan]  
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Did it work out-of-the-box? (Without changing any configurations or doing anything special?)
I tried it with my Galaxy S6, and it didn't seem to work. (I think that it's the cable's fault though...)
I can't wait to try out the two presets available at the moment!

In any case, thank you! smile


I didn't do any special configuration. I'm on iOS though.

Plug and play with a really old (2 I think) iPad.

Jay


I can confirm that it works with Android as well. Finally got this application working!
Turns out I bought a faulty USB OTG cable...

In any case, I've also updated the firmware version and only found v1.5 in the web, while I recall reading that some people have v1.7. Is this region specific or something like that?

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#2519379 - 03/09/16 11:40 PM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan]  
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Possible to do MIDI stuff w/ the LX-17 and a Macbook over bluetooth?

I have a 2013-era (I think) Macbook Pro, and couldn't manage to have it 'see' the LX-17 Bluetooth, even with the BT "Midi + pg" or whatnot icon is showing on the piano (and I've been able to pair the piano with my Nexus 6P phone).

I've verified that my Macbook does support Bluetooth 4.0 (LE).

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I made the pair with my Macbook Pro no problem. Both Audio and MIDI/PageTurn were connected.

But have to ask what you want to do with MIDI?

The Audio stuff worked great for me. But I don't really have any apps that would use a bluetooth MIDI connection.

In my experience, latency with Bluetooth MIDI still leaves it as not quite where I'd like it for day to day use.

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Ah, interesting! I wonder why my Macbook couldn't see the piano. I'll try the old standby of rebooting smile.

re what I wanted to do... was gonna try messing around with Garage Band and maybe a more robust DAW.

But that's a good reminder re latency over BT. Given that, I'm probably just better off dealing with cable.

Anyway, thanks for the quick response!


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I'm an owner of an HP605 since a few weeks back. Was choosing between CLP575 and HP605. First off i was close to settling on the clp, but steered toward the hp605 after several hours of playing. I think it was mainly the clearness in the tone of the HP that helped me make my decision. The Yamaha sounds a bit more muffled in my ears, although the bass is clearly heavier in the clp. Another important aspect in my decision making was the Pianodesigner feature. My first impression of the Roland was that the attack part of the tone sounded a little metallic and including a metallic "zing" sound in some of the keys, especially in the middle register, but also in the bass. Using the pianodesigner i was able to correct some of these unpleasant sounds, and i thought if i would just give it some more time i would be able to fine tune and create a piano that i would truly enjoy. I also preferred the touch in the Roland, a bit lighter than the Yamaha and with a more apparent escapement feature. So i went for the HP605.

Since i started playing the HP605 i have tuned the piano sound to fit my preference as far as possible using the tools available in the piano. I like the sound in many aspects but i still can't shake that metallic "zing" sound in the attack part, only audible in certain tones. This sounds like a badly tuned acoustic piano would in my ears, and i don't see why this has to be present considering that the sound is fully modelled. There is also a less frequent whistling sound in some of the bass notes that sounds really artificial. Anyone else been experiencing this?

It also became apparent that F4 made the settings button plastic panel above the keys resonate and make a buzzing sound. Obviously not part of the digital sound image (not audible with headphone) and for this i've sent my piano back to Roland for service.

When it comes to the sustain and resonance the Roland sounds beautiful and far superior to the Yamaha IMHO.

Another detail that's been bothering me is that the blue LED light from the bluetooth symbol shines down on the key beneath it, a D i think, when being pressed down. This is very distracting, and it doesn't help covering the settings panel with the lid. Feels like such an unnecessary detail to leave behind on Rolands part. Does anyone recognize this or should i notice Roland about this as well?

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I'm an owner of an HP605 since a few weeks back. Was choosing between CLP575 and HP605. First off i was close to settling on the clp, but steered toward the hp605 after several hours of playing. I think it was mainly the clearness in the tone of the HP that helped me make my decision. The Yamaha sounds a bit more muffled in my ears, although the bass is clearly heavier in the clp. Another important aspect in my decision making was the Pianodesigner feature. My first impression of the Roland was that the attack part of the tone sounded a little metallic and including a metallic "zing" sound in some of the keys, especially in the middle register, but also in the bass. Using the pianodesigner i was able to correct some of these unpleasant sounds, and i thought if i would just give it some more time i would be able to fine tune and create a piano that i would truly enjoy. I also preferred the touch in the Roland, a bit lighter than the Yamaha and with a more apparent escapement feature. So i went for the HP605.

Since i started playing the HP605 i have tuned the piano sound to fit my preference as far as possible using the tools available in the piano. I like the sound in many aspects but i still can't shake that metallic "zing" sound in the attack part, only audible in certain tones. This sounds like a badly tuned acoustic piano would in my ears, and i don't see why this has to be present considering that the sound is fully modelled. There is also a less frequent whistling sound in some of the bass notes that sounds really artificial. Anyone else been experiencing this?

It also became apparent that F4 made the settings button plastic panel above the keys resonate and make a buzzing sound. Obviously not part of the digital sound image (not audible with headphone) and for this i've sent my piano back to Roland for service.

When it comes to the sustain and resonance the Roland sounds beautiful and far superior to the Yamaha IMHO.

Another detail that's been bothering me is that the blue LED light from the bluetooth symbol shines down on the key beneath it, a D i think, when being pressed down. This is very distracting, and it doesn't help covering the settings panel with the lid. Feels like such an unnecessary detail to leave behind on Rolands part. Does anyone recognize this or should i notice Roland about this as well?


I haven't noticed the other issues, but 100% concur on the issue that the panel and lcd display lights create, I find them distracting too, particularly (as you said) when pressing certain keys, as then the light glows down onto the depressed key more than when it's not pressed. I'd like Roland to implement a key combo that can be used to toggle on/off *all* the lights and lcd display (I'd suggest that if adding such a toggle, making it so that switching the piano off and on again would also restore the lights to normal i.e. on, in case a user accidentally toggled them off and didn't know - just a precaution to keep it user friendly and foolproof).

I recall a few others have mentioned the distraction caused by lights earlier in the thread, so we're certainly not alone in having it as one of our peeves smile

#2520626 - 03/13/16 03:13 PM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan]  
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Is there any place containing user configurations for the Piano Designer settings? Or just the two\four official Roland presets?
As an inexperienced player I am really interested in how people tune their own LX\HP pianos... (Especially ones who use the single-note tuning)
So far I've only been using the lid configurations, and some of the resonance ones. (And it's quite nice!)

#2522949 - 03/20/16 01:13 PM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: Fer De Armas]  
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I thank you for your comments Fer De Armas. And I especially thank you to have repeated them on this particular thread; otherwise, I would have not had the occasion of reading them.

EssBrace's comments against you were wrong! He must have slept badly the night before when he made them! At least, I hope that is the only reason!

Originally Posted by Fer De Armas
Sorry...! but all is very simple, stop worrying about my views and I would suggest to you too (to stop being irritated), stop reading my comments... End of Story...!

#2523050 - 03/20/16 07:30 PM Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: MichaelIsGreat]  
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Originally Posted by MichaelIsGreat
I thank you for your comments Fer De Armas. And I especially thank you to have repeated them on this particular thread; otherwise, I would have not had the occasion of reading them.

EssBrace's comments against you were wrong! He must have slept badly the night before when he made them! At least, I hope that is the only reason


No...I doubt that he slept badly....

The repeated assertion of opinion as fact. Forsaking all others for the sake of Kawai. Bot like behaviour, and posting the same thing incessantly on thread after thread after thread. Even on threads with nothing to do with anything Kawai.

I won't speak for EssBrace but I believe those to be his reasons for the comments directed towards Fer.

Jay


Formerly in the business. Now just a piano fan.
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