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Re: An option: a 1948 Conover Cable console piano [Re: Coyotewoods] #2511546
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Originally Posted by CoyoteWoods
Cynthia, I'll PM you about moving tips. We're doing it ourselves and are looking for a flatbed, ramp and a strong neighbor. We think we've got it figured out (the equipment), but it's taking longer than I had hoped to pull it together.

Who knew Walmart carries a book like that? I'll look for a used copy online somewhere and buy one. I can't wait for it to arrive.

I pulled the cabinet panel off near the keyboard and could see the action. The hammers and doohickies (I'm still learning the terminology) were all right there, at key level ... I think. I honestly didn't think to question this when I was there. I'll post a photo when I get a chance.

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Re: An option: a 1948 Conover Cable console piano [Re: Coyotewoods] #2511771
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I'd recommend paying a little more for one that is in 'Good' condition rather than in 'Fair' condition. Writing inside the book can be pretty annoying. But used is great.


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Re: An option: a 1948 Conover Cable console piano [Re: Coyotewoods] #2511865
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Hi folks,

I've changed my name from CoyoteWoods to MooseNotes. I have a long history with moose!!

So the piano is coming home this weekend, pending an inspection of the soundboard. Would you say a cracked pinboard could be a deal breaker, too, considering the replacement/repair costs?

Carla

Re: An option: a 1948 Conover Cable console piano [Re: Coyotewoods] #2511876
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A cracked pin block is not something one can easily diagnose, but if some individual notes are much worse out of tune than others, that is a danger sign. A cracked soundboard can be seen, but rarely heard, so it is not worth worrying about.


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Thanks for chiming in, BDB.

So to clarify, a cracked soundboard really isn't something I should worry about, because it doesn't affect the sound? I've read it's a big deal to replace the soundboard, but maybe some folks replace it as a part of a complete rebuild and for resale. Would you agree?

And a pinboard could have cracks, but they would need to be diagnosed by a technician. This isn't something I'd be likely to detect on my own, right? Should I consider a cracked pinboard a deal breaker, it's that signficiant?

Thanks!!

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Re: An option: a 1948 Conover Cable console piano [Re: Rickster] #2511903
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Rick, I made pizza while listening to this video of yours and shared the link with my family. They all loved it, too. What fun!!! :o)

Re: An option: a 1948 Conover Cable console piano [Re: Coyotewoods] #2511918
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Originally Posted by MooseNotes
Rick, I made pizza while listening to this video of yours and shared the link with my family. They all loved it, too. What fun!!! :o)

Glad you and your family enjoyed the video, MooseNotes! smile

When you get your new-to-you Conover Cable home, you can start having fun playing your own piano.

Oh yea, BDB is in California and he is a supremo tech! smile He's one of our top-technicians here on PW, and he has tuned for many well-known artists and celebrities. He can help you a lot.

All the best!

Rick


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Re: An option: a 1948 Conover Cable console piano [Re: Coyotewoods] #2511994
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Originally Posted by MooseNotes
So to clarify, a cracked soundboard really isn't something I should worry about, because it doesn't affect the sound?

That's what BDB said. My old piano has a single crack in the soundboard and it doesn't cause any noises during playing. A rebuilder who looked at it said not to worry.
Yes, replacing the soundboard is a big deal and that's why it's only done sometimes in full rebuilds of expensive grand pianos.

Originally Posted by MooseNotes
And a pinboard could have cracks, but they would need to be diagnosed by a technician. This isn't something I'd be likely to detect on my own, right? Should I consider a cracked pinboard a deal breaker, it's that signficiant?

The pinblock (not pinboard) may not be exposed in your piano, but you may be able to deduce that a crack could exist as BDB described. If strings which have physically adjacent tuning pins are much more out of tune than average, perhaps a crack in the pinblock between these tuning pins could be allowing them to slip out of tune. Here's a link to a photo (hopefully):
cracked pinblock
I don't believe cracked pinblocks are common, but it's a major job to replace one. It would definitely be a sign to abandon a sub-$100 upright!

Post some photos of your new piano if / when you get it. smile

Re: An option: a 1948 Conover Cable console piano [Re: Ben_NZ] #2512000
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Thanks for clarifying. The terminology and pieces and parts are all very new to me. I'm so glad you shared the photo. That makes better sense: two neighboring keys with problems could indicate a crack.

I love everything I'm learning and will definitely share some photos and maybe even a video tour when I get my piano home.

Re: An option: a 1948 Conover Cable console piano [Re: Coyotewoods] #2512152
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The crack, if one exists, could be vertical as in the picture, or it could be horizontal or some where in between. The loose pins due to a crack may be adjacent or in a line, which suggests a crack. Most pianos do not have an exposed pin block, so seeing the crack is often not possible and it can only be guessed at by which pins are loose. After tuning my piano, I have marked the pins that keep needing retuning, by putting a little white-out on the tip of the pin. So far only 3 pins are marked, and they are not near each other or in a line.


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I'm technically very capable. I love my piano and love tinkering with it.
Re: An option: a 1948 Conover Cable console piano [Re: Coyotewoods] #2513325
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Things to note:

The piano is home.

I'm NOT an overnight YouTube sensation and the star of an "Oops! Ouch! Poor piano!" video.

Only one daffodil got squashed in the process and it's still going to flower.

The marriage is still (moderately) intact. The friends are still our friends.

The dogs didn't bark at the piano, sniff it, lift a leg to it, lick it, or even look at it.

I'm not sure what this means, since they do this to EVERYTHING new in our home. When we've had bears visit our trashcans in the middle of the night, they had the same reaction. Udder silence. But a bunny rabbit running across the deck? Total doggy mahem!

(The piano is kind of bear color, and it's large. Not grizzly large, just black bear large, and we have black bears. There could be a conection here.)

Only one of our six cats ran across the keys. He was so terrified by this unexpected experience, he fluffed up to twice his size, arched his back, and ran into the closet.

So, overall I hereby declare OPERATION: GET THAT THING HOME a roaring success, and delivery was free, minus an upcoming pizza night as a thank you, where I make all the pizzas from scratch and pray they don't burn.

But the piano smells.

People, you are all under orders to STOP loading your homes up with chemicals. Febreze is not your friend, it's not your piano's friend. It's nobody's friend.

I'm chemically sensitive and stupidly didn't consider that I'd be bringing that smell home with me. There are ways to address this, though, and OPERATION: CLEAN AIR is already underway.

But there's another but, and it's the topic for a whole other discussion thread, which will launch in the next few days. And it's a big one.

So there's that.

As furniture, the piano really makes our home cozy. As pretty much the ONLY furniture we own, my husband's one regret is that we can't recline on it and put our feet up.

Anyway, hello. I'm 45 years old and I don't own a couch or a bed, but I do own a 1948 Conover Cable console piano in FAIR condition, and I couldn't be happier.

Except for that other thing.

And, yes, the humidity in our home can wildly flucuate, and the piano now lives next to a wood stove. We're going to engineer a plan to address this. But as I've said before, it sure beats the landfill.

Happy day, folks!

Re: An option: a 1948 Conover Cable console piano [Re: Coyotewoods] #2513361
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Congratulations on getting your piano home!

It's traditional here on PW for new members, or new piano owners (new or pre-owned smile ) to post pictures of their piano. So, post pictures when you can!

As far as not owning a couch or a bed, well, I suppose sitting or sleeping on the floor is better than being homeless.

Wishing you all the best,

Rick


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Re: An option: a 1948 Conover Cable console piano [Re: Coyotewoods] #2513457
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I mentioned that I'd like to learn Greensleeves and Ode to Joy when I get my piano. I learned a very scaled down kid's version back in the 70s. Today I played a tiny bit of Greensleeves from memory and the coyotes started howling outside!

So I'm moving on to Ode to Joy. Here's my inspiration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnT7pT6zCcA

I'm tall with very short red hair and do a mean Beaker impression. Beaker was my nickname when I was a kid.

I kind of don't fit in here on Piano World, but I love being a part of the forums. :o)

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Re: An option: a 1948 Conover Cable console piano [Re: Coyotewoods] #2513487
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You fit perfectly.


Currently working towards "Twinkle twinkle little star"
Re: An option: a 1948 Conover Cable console piano [Re: Coyotewoods] #2513800
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Congratulations on bringing your 1948 Conover Cable console piano home, olfactory issues with "that new piano smell" aside! It's highly unlikely that your instrument will ignite, like Beaker's violin when playing Ode to Joy in the video. And as for fitting in here, I think you have succeeded in creating a space for yourself and attracting a following; and besides, as I have mentioned before in another context, the only thing worse than being like everybody else is not being like everybody else.


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Why, thank you, agraffe, for your kind comments!

The piano is perfectly, wonderfully mine, and I am so thrilled to have this beautifully dinged instrument in my home.

:o))

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Remember: the beautiful sounds of a piano can nullify all thoughts of any dings on the case...

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Originally Posted by PhilipInChina
You fit perfectly.


Exactly.


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Thank you kindly, folks.

And now that Cal Fire came and extracted one of my cats from his roost 2.5 stories up a pine tree, I can resume cleaning my piano.

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Originally Posted by MooseNotes
Thank you kindly, folks.

And now that Cal Fire came and extracted one of my cats from his roost 2.5 stories up a pine tree, I can resume cleaning my piano.

Well, I'm glad the cat is safe, and I'm glad you can now resume your piano adventure! smile

Over the last 10 or 11 years, since I've been interested in pianos, I've bought several of them, all pre-owned. I still have 4 of them, but one of the most exciting things to me about getting a new-to-me piano is to open them up and look inside to see what's there. I too have found an assortment of oddities inside the pianos, along with a few coins. Found a quarter once, and thought I had gotten an even better deal on the piano. smile

I've found pencils, pens, bobby-pins, candy, bubblegum rapers, baseball cards, guitar picks, and even old photos. Actually, the adventure of finding what's inside, imagining the life that the piano had and the fun and enjoyment the previous owners got from it was as much of an adventure and an enjoyment as playing a tune on it for the first time.

Every pre-owned piano has a history... and I have always liked to study history! smile

All the best,

Rick


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