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NAMM 2016: Yamaha NP-12 and NP-32 #2504069 01/26/16 05:52 AM
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Hi all,

haven't seen this being mentioned here: Yamaha presented an updated version of their NP-11 and NP-31 Piaggero models, called NP-12 and NP-32:

http://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/mu...eyboards/dk_-_piaggero/np-12/?mode=model

Updates include a new piano sample,64 voice polyphonie, a song recorder, and a USB-to-host connection as far as I can see.
The NP-11 has sometimes been recommended here in the past when ultimate portability was key, and the updates should make this product more attractive.

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Re: NAMM 2016: Yamaha NP-12 and NP-32 [Re: Gretel] #2504132 01/26/16 09:23 AM
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And once again the MIDI jacks are gone... frown

On the plus side they added a record/playback function, doubled the polyphony...and halved the power consumption (from 20 to 8 watts) while keeping the same 5 watt total audio power. Good for those using it with batteries. It has real buttons instead of those little round rubbery things.

Of course, it's how the new piano sample sounds that will tell how worthwhile it is.


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Re: NAMM 2016: Yamaha NP-12 and NP-32 [Re: Gretel] #2504200 01/26/16 12:45 PM
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Arguably, usb to host is simpler, and more practical for MIDI. If anything, there's less bulk to deal with, and no need for an interface (plug directly to an available usb port).
Some manufacturers, like Yamaha in this instance, are bypassing the 5-pin MIDI altogether.

Re: NAMM 2016: Yamaha NP-12 and NP-32 [Re: Gretel] #2504219 01/26/16 01:46 PM
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USB is simpler...if you're connecting it to a computer. A pain if connecting it to something else like a sound module.


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Re: NAMM 2016: Yamaha NP-12 and NP-32 [Re: Gretel] #2504235 01/26/16 02:19 PM
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Re: NAMM 2016: Yamaha NP-12 and NP-32 [Re: Gretel] #2504269 01/26/16 03:27 PM
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NP 12: In Europe already available for 209€.

Re: NAMM 2016: Yamaha NP-12 and NP-32 [Re: guyl] #2504345 01/26/16 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by guyl
USB is simpler...if you're connecting it to a computer. A pain if connecting it to something else like a sound module.


True, but honestly, I cannot envisage anyone too many people connecting one of these inexpensive boards to a MIDI-only sound module. More likely, customers will either stick with the onboard sounds or connect to a computer or phone/tablet.

It's perhaps worth noting that Yamaha also announced two new Bluetooth connection accessories for instruments with either 9-pin MIDI or USB to Host. The hardware looks very similar to the QuiccoSound mi.1 Bluetooth MIDI adaptor.

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Re: NAMM 2016: Yamaha NP-12 and NP-32 [Re: Gretel] #2504377 01/26/16 08:40 PM
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Well in my case, my lightweight NP11 makes a handy controller to play my Roland VK-8m organ module. Seems they could at least have kept the MIDI Out jack.


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Originally Posted by guyl
Well in my case, my lightweight NP11 makes a handy controller to play my Roland VK-8m organ module. Seems they could at least have kept the MIDI Out jack.


Ah, I see. Yes, that's quite a nice, portable combo.

However, I maintain that - for the majority of customers - USB is probably preferable to MIDI, which I expect is why Yamaha made this change.

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Re: NAMM 2016: Yamaha NP-12 and NP-32 [Re: Gretel] #2504553 01/27/16 10:45 AM
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Also, though, a standard MIDI jack can be "converted" to USB use with a cheap adapter (currently as little as $3.26 for a no-name generic on eBay, or $30-$40 for Roland, M-Audio, iConnectivity, or ART from Sweetwater)... going the other direction is not so simple. There's also the issue that the USB approach is more susceptible to noise. And, as discussed, the standard connection is more flexible for live use, whether for modules, or just to directly connect one keyboard to another. I think it's a shame that the standard MIDI connectors are disappearing from so many lower cost boards.

Re: NAMM 2016: Yamaha NP-12 and NP-32 [Re: Gretel] #2504579 01/27/16 11:56 AM
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These things are god awful to play. Terrible keyboard action. My 18 month old daughter has a toy keyboard that actually feels better to play!

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Beware of sub 5$ USB-MIDI cable... I have read some issue with them (a pedal converted to a E note, no optocoupler). The Synthesia faq recommends to buy a higher model.

The reverse adaptor does exist (Kenton), but needs a USB class complient device (generic driver), then I don't think it will work with some Yamaha devices.


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Originally Posted by ando
These things are god awful to play. Terrible keyboard action. My 18 month old daughter has a toy keyboard that actually feels better to play!

+1. They've been discussed on here for as a potential lightweight travel practice tool. Totally useless for piano IMHO, maybe synth like chord based rock, but then why bother. crazy

Re: NAMM 2016: Yamaha NP-12 and NP-32 [Re: spanishbuddha] #2504614 01/27/16 01:35 PM
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Not in my opinion. To me, it looks like a good board to have, for maximum portability at a very low cost. Think about going to vacation or accompanying the family at "happy birthday" in any room you like, or really just a casual wtf jam at a friend's place.

Re: NAMM 2016: Yamaha NP-12 and NP-32 [Re: Gretel] #2560621 08/02/16 02:55 PM
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There is an interesting opinion at amazon.com
https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-61-Ke...307&sr=8-1&keywords=yamaha+np+12
Quote: "I almost returned this Keyboard because the upper registers were out of tune"
Is it possible the new yamaha is out of tune?

Re: NAMM 2016: Yamaha NP-12 and NP-32 [Re: Gretel] #2560629 08/02/16 03:50 PM
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It is _extremely_ unlikely. Yamaha has made _lots_ of digital pianos, and they know what they're doing.

If you ever hear a DP that you think is "out of tune":

. . . Acquire a "guitar tuner" (free Android and iPhone apps are available)

. . . Check the frequencies of the DP's "C" and "G" in several octaves;

. . . Allow for something called "stretched tuning";

and _then_, after you can assure yourself that it really is "out of tune", report the problem.

You don't know who reported the problem at Amazon. Maybe he/she used "out of tune" to mean "too bright"? Maybe to mean "the overtones weren't properly in tune with the fundamental" (which is normal, for a piano)?




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Re: NAMM 2016: Yamaha NP-12 and NP-32 [Re: Gretel] #2586423 11/12/16 03:52 AM
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I bought an NP-12 some weeks ago and wanted to share my impressions. First of all, what do I use it for: I have two young kids (8 months and 22 months) and because of this I don't really have much time to play my FP50 anymore, at least focussed practising isn't really possible anymore because of a lack of time. However, I didn't want to skip playing completely and thought I could play childrens songs together with my kids. For this, I needed something with a useful piano sound, a keybed with at least four octaves (preferably not with mini keys), battery powered operation, and internal speakers. Also it should be affordable.

Now I have the NP-12, which pretty much fulfills the intended purpose. Actually it even looks quite nice and is pretty solid in terms of build quality. I usually have it leaning against a wall and only fetch it when I want to play it. The keybed is actually probably the best I have played when it comes to nonweighted actions, and can be played well also when lots of black notes are involved. The piano sound is good. I think it has at least two velocity layers, and can be played relatively expressively. Certainly good enough for playing children's songs and singing along. It doesn't support sympathetic resonance of course and the looping is audible, but for a 200 bucks unit this is better than anticipated. The first pipe organ sound is very good, too (if you increase the reverb a bit). Not sure how long the unit lasts on one charge, but certainly more than five or so hours. I am still on the first charge (but I play with a fairly low volume usually).

All in all I am really fond of this little keyboard. For such a low price this is a valuable addition and opens up possibilities that heavier units wouldn't do. If you look for something really portable yet fully selfcontained, then give it a try.

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Does anyone know the width of the octave? The previous model (NP 31) was only 160 mm instead of 164-165 mm of real piano, quite strange for a 76 keys instrument.

Actually I measured some new 61 keys keyboard from Roland and Casio and they were 163 mm. 1-2 mm less than a real piano is OK, but 5 mm was too much and I felt it.

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Re: NAMM 2016: Yamaha NP-12 and NP-32 [Re: Gretel] #2587517 11/15/16 03:45 PM
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I measured 160 to 161 mm, so I guess it's the same as previous models. I would say it takes one or two days of getting used to, but then it's okay, at least for moderate levels of playing..

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I have the Yamaha Piaggero NP-V60 which is the big brother to these models. The octave is 160 MM wide and for what I use it for is for travel and for sing alongs. I do not recommend this as a primary practice instrument. I had a NP 31 and sold it after using it for a couple of years as a travel practice piano. They are well made and travel very well. So the octave difference does not make a big difference. but at 18 pounds versus 50 + pounds there is no comparison.



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