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Fritz-Dobbert Pianos made in Brazil #178011
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A friend asked me to find out something about these pianos made by a German manufacturer in Brazil. Does anyone posting here know of them and can also enlighten us? Thanks!

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Re: Fritz-Dobbert Pianos made in Brazil #178012
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I've never seen one.

The only person I know who has, is Rick Clark.

IIRC, he wasn't overly impressed.


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Re: Fritz-Dobbert Pianos made in Brazil #178013
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I did some work for a dealer in the 90's that brought a few uprights in. Nothing unusual. Some old style geometry in the actions. Kind of pricy as I remember. Germans in Brazil sounds like a novel.


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Florianopolis, somewhere in the interior of Brasil, is populated heavily by German immigrants. Don't know if there are any piano factories there, though.

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Germans in Brazil, Novel?
In the South of Brazil, there have places that looks like the Germany(cities like Gramado, Blumenau and Canela), and the Italy(Bento Gonçalves, Garibaldi, Vale Vêneto, São João do Polesine) because of the imigrants, and is very cold in the winter.
Pianos in Brazil is an old market, today is not as strong as before.
"Essenfelder" was an old mark of excellent quality, earned the "Grand Prix" once, founded in 1890, if I remember correctly, but closed in 1997, "sinking" due to financial problems and family (it was a family business ) Next to tags as "Schwartzman," Brazil ", among others.
Today there are at least three, Fritz Dobbert (Sao Paulo, the most popular which is said to be the only country, but quality not so good), Chateaubriand (Northeast, but only makes the assembly of the piano part is not popular) and Zimmermann (Sao Paulo, also not so popular).
I've read that there is a small factory in Blumenau, Dittrich, perhaps artezanal character and family, but I know nothing further about this, the same on the possible Schneider.

Re: Fritz-Dobbert Pianos made in Brazil [Re: Varcon] #1666644
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I've seen one Fritz Dobbert here in the California area. It was a terrible piano. Almost as bad as some of the pianos made in The Philippines.


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Re: Fritz-Dobbert Pianos made in Brazil [Re: Dale Fox] #1666699
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Originally Posted by Dale Fox
I've seen one Fritz Dobbert here in the California area. It was a terrible piano. Almost as bad as some of the pianos made in The Philippines.


I do a little business in Brasil and a contact there tells me they no longer build the Fritz Dobbert domestically.


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Just as General Franco is still dead, I've still not seen one.


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Re: Fritz-Dobbert Pianos made in Brazil [Re: Jolly] #1667162
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Originally Posted by Jolly
Just as General Franco is still dead, I've still not seen one.


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Re: Fritz-Dobbert Pianos made in Brazil [Re: Rich Galassini] #1667166
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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
Originally Posted by Jolly
Just as General Franco is still dead, I've still not seen one.


JOLLY!! Great to see you here. You are missed.


As testified by gun wielding husbands everywhere, I have been missed on more than one occasion...


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Re: Fritz-Dobbert Pianos made in Brazil [Re: Brasil South] #1735598
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Originally Posted by Brasil South
I've read that there is a small factory in Blumenau, Dittrich, perhaps artisan character and family, but I know nothing further about this.


Yes, there is a house in Blumenau where the Dittrich family used to make pianos from their garage/workshop.

It was around 1950 when Mr. Dittrich immigrated to Blumenau, Brazil with his wife and two sons. He would go on to build quality hand-crafted pianos there.

His two sons, Hans Peter and Wolfgang, are in their late 60's to early 70's now, and they still work at repairing, maintaining and tuning pianos. However they stopped building pianos about 15 years ago as the cost became too prohibitive.

Overall, I believe they only built around 125 pianos.


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Re: Fritz-Dobbert Pianos made in Brazil [Re: Jolly] #1735812
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Originally Posted by Jolly
Just as General Franco is still dead, I've still not seen one.


Good thing not everyone who has not seen a Brazilian piano will chime in with postings of "Me neither"! That would make this one looooong thread, as these pianos are not common outside of South America.

I have seen a few so I will crawl back into my little hole....

Re: Fritz-Dobbert Pianos made in Brazil [Re: Varcon] #1736137
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Fritz Dobbert pianos are built in Sao Paulo.

Last October, I looked at a used Fritz Dobbert, but I didn't really care for the action or the sound of it.

Then for about the same price I found an ad for the Dittrich piano pictured above. It hadn't been tuned for around 11 years, but it was relatively in tune about a semi-tone flat, and the action and sound seemed good.

My wife then spoke with one of the Dittrich brothers on the phone and you could tell how much pride they took in having built their pianos. We were convinced and so we bought it.

We were lucky to have found it because apart from Fritz Dobbert, I don't think anyone else makes pianos in Brazil. But in any case, you are better off getting a used Essenfelder (or Dittrich) if you can find one in good condition.

Brasil South mentioned Essenfelder in a post above. They were made in Curitiba, Brazil and they are very good quality pianos, but unfortunately they don't make them anymore either.

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Re: Fritz-Dobbert Pianos made in Brazil [Re: Johnny D] #2503386
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As a contribution to this post, here are some pictures of an Essenfelder upright built in 1987 in Curitiba, Brazil, living since then in a family house in Florianopolis (capital of the state of Santa Catarina, a wonderful small island in southern Brazil, not at the interior of the country, though)...

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Re: Fritz-Dobbert Pianos made in Brazil [Re: Varcon] #2503441
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About Fritz Dobbert: they are the only factory still producing pianos in Brazil, most of them uprights. The grands, even though being sold with their brand, seem to be imported from China, under their name. And they also represent Kawaii and Ritmuller.
Chinese and Indonesian pianos seem to be everywhere...

A video, to whom it may interest:
Fritz Dobbert new factory in Sao Paulo, Brazil


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Re: Fritz-Dobbert Pianos made in Brazil [Re: Varcon] #2503458
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Originally Posted by Piano Brazil
A video, to whom it may interest:
Fritz Dobbert new factory in Sao Paulo, Brazil

I watched the video and it looks to me like the factory is about as modern and mechanized as any other piano factory tour video I've seen.

The workers, all of whom looked somewhat mature in age, seemed enthusiastic and skilled at their jobs.

So, I guess a picture/video is worth a 1000 words (though I don't speak Spanish fluently smile ).

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Re: Fritz-Dobbert Pianos made in Brazil [Re: Rickster] #2503499
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Originally Posted by Rickster


So, I guess a picture/video is worth a 1000 words (though I don't speak Spanish fluently smile ).

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Spanish in Brazil? Don't say that to a Brazilian! wink

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Originally Posted by ando
Spanish in Brazil? Don't say that to a Brazilian! wink

Oops... smile

You are right, Ando. The majority of Brazilians speak Portuguese. But since there are about 210 different languages spoken in Brazil (according to Wikipedia) I don't feel so bad; maybe Spanish is among them. grin

And, since I can't tell the difference between Portuguese and Spanish in the video, I guess my Spanish ain't that good after all. smile

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It's cool to read about the piano industry in Brazil! Nice video too. Interesting too that it seems to be German emigrants who were prominent in the Brazilian piano industry. Sad that it seems to be in decline, just like the piano industry in North America.

Anyway, thanks for reviving the thread and sharing the video.


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... an interesting, extended life that this thread has had, no? smile


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