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Detail of agraffes, hammers of 1840's Pleyel piano #2502731
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http://youtu.be/vX6YjRrSLQo

This particular model was double-strung to low C

The hammers are covered with the original cashmire/rabbit felt

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An Article on the unusual makeup of original Pleyel hammers, during Chopin's lifetime:

http://acortot.blogspot.it/2012/07/pleyel-hammers-in-chopin-era-i-martelli.html

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Re: Detail of agraffes, hammers of 1840's Pleyel piano [Re: acortot] #2502881
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And how does one get to play on one of these rabbit felt pianos?

Re: Detail of agraffes, hammers of 1840's Pleyel piano [Re: acortot] #2502991
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Thank you for posting this.

I am curious about the repetition design of the action. Are there pictures of the action in profile? I have seen a Pleyel from sometime in the 1850's that used a thin piece of ivory about the size of a tail on a two-piece ivory key-top for a sort of repetition spring.


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Re: Detail of agraffes, hammers of 1840's Pleyel piano [Re: acortot] #2503026
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Re: Detail of agraffes, hammers of 1840's Pleyel piano [Re: acortot] #2503079
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Interesting contrast to the modern Pleyel piano. Many similarities in sound and design. This recording is worth all eleven minutes of listening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdsYfnuIvxU



Enjoy.


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Re: Detail of agraffes, hammers of 1840's Pleyel piano [Re: acortot] #2503329
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It sounds "tubby" and "clunky" and not very pleasant to me, but could be the recording. More historical interest than something I like to hear.

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Re: Detail of agraffes, hammers of 1840's Pleyel piano [Re: acortot] #2503388
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Compared to a modern piano the sound is a little tubby, the soundboard does have a specific resonance in the low midrange

The action is a sturdier version of the simple english action with no repitition.

Any repitition mechanism you would see on a pleyel made before 1860 or so is a retrofit done decades later.
Erard, on the other hand, already had the double escapement action like today's (minus the screw installed by Hertz as an improvement) by 1830 or so


Chopin r us, if you would like to play it it is a couple of hours south of Paris as I am keeping it at a friend's who has a collection of them along with other pianos

Mine is on sale as I can't afford a bigger apartment in Paris. He also has other rare pleyels but unrestored


rhythm must be inborn - Alfred Cortot

An Article on the unusual makeup of original Pleyel hammers, during Chopin's lifetime:

http://acortot.blogspot.it/2012/07/pleyel-hammers-in-chopin-era-i-martelli.html

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Re: Detail of agraffes, hammers of 1840's Pleyel piano [Re: acortot] #2503391
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http://youtu.be/WWKl6e5BU8s

Here is a better recording of it.

I believe the role of a piano like this is to inform pianists and technicians as to what the aesthetic that Chopin and his contemporaries experienced when playing a piano of the time.

The sound is quite quiet and domestic-sounding. Not at all a theatre instrument.

The notes melt one into the other, which for a low-tension scale like this is quite difficult, in a way

With today's technology you could take that aesthetic and perfect it I am sure.


rhythm must be inborn - Alfred Cortot

An Article on the unusual makeup of original Pleyel hammers, during Chopin's lifetime:

http://acortot.blogspot.it/2012/07/pleyel-hammers-in-chopin-era-i-martelli.html

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Re: Detail of agraffes, hammers of 1840's Pleyel piano [Re: Bosendorff] #2503393
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Originally Posted by Bosendorff


This one has been restored with the wrong felt, even though the model is the same, and you can hear the difference.

In a way the restoration with dense wool felt aims to make the piano sound similar to a modern one, but the tension is not enough IMO to get a good modern tone out of it

Last edited by acortot; 01/24/16 08:36 AM.

rhythm must be inborn - Alfred Cortot

An Article on the unusual makeup of original Pleyel hammers, during Chopin's lifetime:

http://acortot.blogspot.it/2012/07/pleyel-hammers-in-chopin-era-i-martelli.html

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