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NAMM 2016 thread
#2502495 01/21/16 10:48 AM
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Greetings,

I'm just starting a thread for this year's show. If non-attendees have questions, I (or other attendees) will try to answer when I have time. Other PW people who will attend, please say hi-- I'll be on the third floor, at the Marriott, or downstairs looking at the digitals for likely all 4 days of the show.

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Thanks for starting this Owen.

I had planned on attending this year, had my hotel room booked (Anaheim Hilton).
At the last minute I had to change my plans.

I'm hoping our members (like yourself) who are at the show will be kind enough to post some pictures and thoughts about what they see and hear at this year's show.

If you are at the NAMM 2016 show, please take a few minutes to share pictures and thoughts here
(how to post pictures... http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2248307.html )





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Well I think California will be a far better place to be this weekend than the northeast with a oncoming blizzard expected to drop up to two feet of snow in Washington DC and points north.

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This is the ~17th NAMM show I've attended. Because of this I tend to avoid everything not pianos.

I visited Yamaha @ Marriott where I spent most of my time between the two rooms. The new Disklavier is very cool, Enspire. Mostly a UI upgrade with some nice integration tweaks to better implement their online offerings.

Bösendorfer has a couple of interesting pianos - one that is half bronze statue. The other is the most amazing concert grand I have ever laid hands on. It was at last years show as well - 280VC.

Visited every piano maker on the floor on floors 2 & 3. Didn't see Fazioli, Steingraeber, Schimmel, or Estonia. Maybe I missed a spot.

I didn't see anything new or ground breaking in the acoustic piano offerings. Same stuff, different year.

I am looking forward to hearing other people's experiences and perhaps learn about things I overlooked.


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Anything notable in the digital piano department? I'd been holding off on the Kawai VPC-1, to wait for any news on realistic action, compact digitals. May finally be biting the bullet, though!

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Originally Posted by Jeff Bauer
This is the ~17th NAMM show I've attended. Because of this I tend to avoid everything not pianos.

Bösendorfer has a couple of interesting pianos - ……... The other is the most amazing concert grand I have ever laid hands on. It was at last years show as well - 280VC.

Visited every piano maker on the floor on floors 2 & 3. Didn't see Fazioli, Steingraeber, Schimmel, or Estonia. Maybe I missed a spot.

I didn't see anything new or ground breaking in the acoustic piano offerings. Same stuff, different year.

I am looking forward to hearing other people's experiences and perhaps learn about things I overlooked.


Hi Jeff. Hope all is well. smile

Yes, I was able to play the 280 VC on the way out. That, along with the Bluthner Model 1 were the musical highlights of the show for me personally. I think because the Bosendorfer was in smaller, more listener friendly environment - I had more fun with it then the Model 1.

Yes first time in awhile Fazioli wasn't there. Missed seeing Pierre Julia.

I don't have the exact number of NAMMs I've been to, but I think it's a tad under 30 shows. For me it was way too crowded and too loud to hear anything, (acoustic or electric).

I had a better time seeing old friends and chatting with them outside, or in the lobby of the convention center or Marriott. Might be the last one I attend. Not much fun anymore…been there, done that. wink


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Might be the last one I attend. Not much fun anymore…been there, done that. wink


Heard this before from someone....

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I'm sorry it's taken me so long to drop by this thread again - trying to catch up with my lesson plans, etc... Thanks, Frank, for pinning the topic as a sticky for the past week; I'm sorry Larry Fine and I didn't have a chance to visit with you this year.

This year's show was the usual bevy of incredibly pleasant weather, fantastic eating from the food trucks, and friendly people. Acoustic piano displays were slightly fewer than last year, but it made for more time to visit with digital pianos and see other parts of the show.

As far as the acoustic pianos were concerned, here are my observations:
- The entry-level brands continue to get better and better.
- The performance level of many Chinese grands are more in line with their vertical (upright) models. In the case of some makers, that disparity had been rather stark just a few years ago.
- Although you can still play and see high-end pianos here (Bluthner, Bosendorfer, Ravenscroft, Mason & Hamlin, Yamaha CF and Shigeru Kawai), the number of makers who are displaying them continues to dwindle. The "consumer grade" models as noted in the Piano Buyer ratings chart tend to dominate the offerings.

The digital piano side of things seems pretty stable, if not growing. I'll post a few pictures in the next posting, though I tend to photograph specific products (just to remember them) much more than people and general overviews of the rooms.


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Now...some photos!

Here's a Seiler ED 186 prototype that had a different sound (warmer) and action feel (less heavy) from other Seilers you've played recently:

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A new Schulze-Pollman case finish. Pictures don't really do this one justice:

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A Meyer restoration of a very old C. Bechstein:

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JF Hessen was a new display for this year, with a model 123 upright that bears more than a passing resemblance wink to the German Feurich vertical of the same size:

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The Pearl River folks have a buyer-customizable front panel option, if memory serves:
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An art-case Bosendorfer 225. Some amazing metalwork:

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An Austria-based digital piano manufacturer that was new this year, Alpha:

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Unlike other digital piano actions that simulate a grand action, this one actually uses a complete Renner grand action (hammers and all) which hit sensors, so it feels supremely authentic:

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Casio has a new low-cost model for the US market, the CGP-700. It has a touchscreen control:

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Finally, a Yamaha "wall of fame" display of old Disklavier head-units. Also, a modified Casio watch with an IR remote added on, the "Wristklavier"!!

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(sorry, couldn't get the camera to focus inside the display case)

The Bosendorfer 280 that was on display is now in production, and I thought was much more successful than the prototype that was on display last year. My favorite piano in the show was the Bosendorfer 225; art-case aside, it had such a wonderfully colorful tone, and was easily the best 225 I've had the chance to play.

Finally, my wife and I got a little lost on our way into NAMM on Friday:

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(sorry if that displayed sideways. Just tilt your head and imagine 75 degree weather)
We made it as far north on the PCH as Oxnard, got strawberries from a roadside stand as we drove east, and then took the rental car on some spirited jaunts across the canyon roads.


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Thanks for the pictures, terminaldegree (Owen smile )!

Chances are, I would never be able to attend such an event for various reasons. Sharing the pictures allows many of us who would never be able to attend NAMM to see a little bit of what goes on there...

Of course, according to some in this thread, it is not quite as glamours as it once was, for various reasons. I can imagine it being a bit noisy with lots of people playing the different pianos and instruments all at the same time.

The odd looking Bosendorfer with the unorthodox metal legs and the Peacock music desk looked like something out of a science fiction movie. Of course, I like science fiction. smile

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I forgot to mention that Charles Walter was there this year, with his wife, and a display of about 4-5 pianos in one of the corridors on the 2nd floor. It's always nice to see them.


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Not affiliated with them, but thought it's a good link (below). You can do a virtual visit by moving/clicking links in the lower picture.

http://pianopricepoint.com/NAMM-2016/

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Thanks for sharing photos! That Bosendorfer 225 looks *so cool*, though probably a bit over-the-top for a home instrument. Guess it depends on whose home wink


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I can just picture trying to dust all that iron work. frown


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Thanks for the pictures!

The digital with the full Renner action sounds intriguing. I wonder how the hammers will hold up over time, or if it'd somehow respond to voicing, softening or hardening of the hammers.



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Thanks for the pictures!

The digital with the full Renner action sounds intriguing. I wonder how the hammers will hold up over time, or if it'd somehow respond to voicing, softening or hardening of the hammers.

I played that piano (the Alpha) at the Frankfurt Musikmesse last year. The sound was generated by the huge Vienna Imperial Bösendorfer sample library. It was indeed impressive: a joy to play. The problem is the price: I think it costs around 30,000 €...


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The second Alpha has a 97 note keyboard. Must be something about the water in Austria...


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any 15/16th sized keyboards yet? Acoustic or Electric? Maybe at Charles Walter's booth?


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They didn't mention anything when I spoke with the family, Toddler.

The Steinbuhler keyboards have been around for quite a while (over a decade) - why would they be on display this year? Booth space at NAMM is extraordinarily expensive, so niche products tend not to be displayed year after year, more often around the time they are released to the public. I know someone who owns a 7/8 scale keyboard on her Steinway B, and it works well for her.


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