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Re: Do you know your piano scales better than a 6-year old? [Re: pianopap] #2499143
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Re: Do you know your piano scales better than a 6-year old? [Re: AZNpiano] #2499224
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Originally Posted by AZNpiano
Spending 30 minutes a day on scales is way too much. How much time does Rose devote to actual repertoire? .... and the common result is unmusical, robotic playing lacking any technical finesse.


+1. This kid has more scales than an alligator. What she needs is music.



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Re: Do you know your piano scales better than a 6-year old? [Re: sirwormsalot] #2499395
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Originally Posted by sirwormsalot
because some people here actually have a piano performance degree, similar to her CURRENT teacher who seems MORE THAN CAPABLE OF TEACHING HER

How would you know that? Are you the teacher? Do you teach?

Originally Posted by sirwormsalot
She is constructing new neural pathways towards tone sensitivity and rhythms, scales will become second nature because she is learning them at an age where the brain is most adaptive and her technique will perhaps improve more than any single piece could achieve. She can learn pieces as evidenced by the Bach. One day her repertoire will be big and scales will make learning new pieces easier. To suggest she is spending too much time when it is of her own initiative to practice them is ridiculous.

Ridiculous? You sound rather defensive. Are you the teacher?


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Re: Do you know your piano scales better than a 6-year old? [Re: pianopap] #2499463
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Goodness! Stop this! I've been watching this post for days. She's a talented SIX year old for goodness sake! And her Dad is proud of her. And she hits the right notes when she plays scales. And she's happy. End of story.

PS what I mean is, have some grace. Have some humility. Let a kid have fun and let a dad be proud.

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Originally Posted by cathryn999
Goodness! Stop this! I've been watching this post for days. She's a talented SIX year old for goodness sake! And her Dad is proud of her. And she hits the right notes when she plays scales. And she's happy. End of story.

PS what I mean is, have some grace. Have some humility. Let a kid have fun and let a dad be proud.

thumb +1 right on!

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Re: Do you know your piano scales better than a 6-year old? [Re: cathryn999] #2499482
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Originally Posted by cathryn999
Goodness! Stop this! I've been watching this post for days. She's a talented SIX year old for goodness sake! And her Dad is proud of her. And she hits the right notes when she plays scales. And she's happy. End of story.

PS what I mean is, have some grace. Have some humility. Let a kid have fun and let a dad be proud.


Amen! And might I add: learn your scales. I mean, if a six year old can do it...


"Whoever is moved by music to the depths of the soul, and works on the instrument like possessed one, who loves music and his instrument with passion will acquire virtuoso technique; he/she will be able to recreate the artistic image of the composition; he/she will be a performer." - Neuhaus
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Re: Do you know your piano scales better than a 6-year old? [Re: pianopap] #2499770
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So, against my better judgement, my significant other and I watched the videos., (he was a child prodigy and is a professional pianist with a BM in music with one year at USC; i was a competition/honors recital player in HS, but stopped playing when I left home at 18... and then got a BA in music (piano) at the age of 35 (as a single mom of 3) which was not easy for me, and have taught privately in my home for a few years to a couple of neighborhood kiddos)...

Does that make either of us experts, no. Just have a bit more of a microscope to look through.

I agree this child has talent... and with proper guidance she will do well if she chooses to stay with performing. I still struggle with scales as I did during juries... hate them... so I applaud her apparent enjoyment.

Significant other went on about the uneven tempo in the Bach. I said, but she is just six... Her hands are tiny and she can play through a fugue... I just recently got that fugue playable.

After a long discussion, we both agreed that at this point focus on her repertoire with even tempo, expression, dynamics, and voicing... Just knowing the notes is one thing... Knowing how to convey the piece musically takes ones playing a whole different level.

We also agreed that it is time to get your daughter a decent grand piano. If she is doing this well at 6, she deserves a better instrument, now. I know digital pianos have come a long way, but they still can't capture the nuances of a good grand piano!

Keep up the good work dad, it's ok to be proud... You earned that right the day she was conceived!


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Re: Do you know your piano scales better than a 6-year old? [Re: cathryn999] #2499826
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Originally Posted by cathryn999
Goodness! Stop this! I've been watching this post for days. She's a talented SIX year old for goodness sake! And her Dad is proud of her. And she hits the right notes when she plays scales. And she's happy. End of story.

PS what I mean is, have some grace. Have some humility. Let a kid have fun and let a dad be proud.


I agree. What I see is a child who's got a great start for a life in music. If her interest is leading her to learn scales to this level (I admit, I can't do different scales in each hand nor in polyrhythms!) then for God's sake encourage that interest! If her interest happens to be in mastering the patterns of the basic elements of music so much the better will she be prepared for the life's work in developing the finer points of expression and learning repertoire. Didn't Liszt decide for a period to focus exclusively on technical exercises, even publishing them?

That said, many people have given some constructive perspectives and it's good to know that when technical patterns become boring there is always an endless world of repertoire and expression to be explored.

Re: Do you know your piano scales better than a 6-year old? [Re: pianopap] #2499868
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In a sick and twisted way, this whole thread reminds me of "The Emperor's New Clothes." There's obviously something wrong going on, but people are afraid of voicing their concerns because the subject is six years old.


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Apparently, practicing scale does not help the quality of her playing.

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Re: Do you know your piano scales better than a 6-year old? [Re: pianopap] #2499908
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Ok, that's enough!

Are we going to attack a 6 year old now?

I'm sorry dad, but this thread needs to get locked for yours and your daughters shake! frown

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Originally Posted by AZNpiano
There's obviously something wrong going on, ....


And Beethoven knows what it is: "To play without passion is inexcusable." It's also inefficient.

It might seem reasonable to start by learning to press the right buttons, and then go back and work on expression. But it turns out not to be. It's a lot more efficient if you always play every note like you mean it.



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Re: Do you know your piano scales better than a 6-year old? [Re: Nikolas] #2499914
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Originally Posted by Nikolas
I'm sorry dad, but this thread needs to get locked for yours and your daughters shake! frown


+1


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Originally Posted by cathryn999
Goodness! Stop this! I've been watching this post for days. She's a talented SIX year old for goodness sake! And her Dad is proud of her. And she hits the right notes when she plays scales. And she's happy. End of story.

PS what I mean is, have some grace. Have some humility. Let a kid have fun and let a dad be proud.


Yes, she is happy. AND modest. She looks so modest/humble when her dad says "You are hard to beat."
I cannot mention names of course, but I saw a local kid play like her at her age (without too much musicality) and now ten years later he has won many contests (even international contests) and has obviously matured musically. She is just six right now.



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I find it pretty sad that a group of adults are incapable of discussing a six year old kindly.

It seems that everything that might be helpful has been said. I believe we are done here.


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