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Digiland 10.1" tablet
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Hi everyone,

Is anyone using :
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/digilan...800.p?id=1219730560584&skuId=4306800

to read sheet music at the piano. I am curious if anyone thinks this would work. I really want an iPad Pro but can not afford one at the moment. I have an electronic bluetooth pedal that I am assuming would pair with the above linked tablet. What I am wondering is if anyone is actually USING this tablet at the piano and what it is you all think of the aspect ration (10.1" x 8") for showing sheet music.

TIA for any help.


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Terry Michael #2497068 01/04/16 04:37 PM
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The screen resolution on that tablet is probably not sufficient to show music. I think you would be disappointed with the results. I could not see Bluetooth mentioned in the specs.

I would go with a second hand older model iPad if it is within your budget.

The ideal is an iPad pro of course , or the Microsoft surface 4 is comparable but equally expensive.


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Yeah screen resolution is usually where these cheap tablets compromise.


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Terry Michael #2497149 01/04/16 08:10 PM
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Thanks for replying. What would a good resolution be for sheet music on a tablet?


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Terry Michael #2497199 01/04/16 10:39 PM
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The ideal is to be able to show a full A4 page at print resolution which is 300 to 1200 dpi depending who printed it.

The best tablet screens are about 264 dpi which is excellent.

Anything at HD ie 1920 x 1080 should be good but if you scale down an A4 page to 10.1 inches screen size you need excellent eyesight.



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RoseGrower #2497233 01/05/16 01:46 AM
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Thanks RoseGrower. I guess I will have to keep saving for that iPad Pro.


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Terry Michael #2497253 01/05/16 05:04 AM
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The resolution is probably a bit too low for the screen size, but an iPad retina screen isn't required either.
I myself am using an amazon tablet with the same screen size but 1280x800 pixels. Better than what you quoted but still much less than an iPad - much cheaper too. And I can say that it works fine. Of course you can see the difference when comparing the two (we have an iPad 4 too, so I can do a side by side comparison) but the score is totally readable with the lower resolution too, and while playing, I never even notice the lower resolution. So I can honestly say that you don't have to save up for an expensive tablet, for displaying scores.
BTW, on Android I can recommend the MobileSheets app for this. It works well with the AirTurn pedal too (if the tablet has Bluetooth).

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Terry Michael #2497721 01/06/16 02:00 PM
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If you can go iPad pro, go! :-) I have the iPad mini Retina, and while I love it... for portability, not practical for sheet music. Cant wait til tax time! ;-)


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I've been using the Microsoft Surface Book (3000 x 2000 @ 267 dpi with a screen size of 7.49 x 11.2") to read scanned-in music for a few weeks and it's working well. With my 53-year-old eyes, I wouldn't want a screen any smaller, but I've seen younger people manage with smaller iPads. The resolution (dpi) approaches printed paper, though the print in high-quality editions like Henle looks better on paper.) I use the pen to annotate the PDF scans so I don't lose the abilty to scribble all over my music.

If you're just displaying scanned in pages and can't reformat the music, you'll need a big screen. If you're playing from lead sheets, etc, and can format for a smaller screen you may be able to get away with it.

I've been scanning in scores with a book scanner (A Fujitsu SV600 and one made from plans at http://www.diybookscanner.org/). I'd love to get rid of all paper if possible just to get rid of clutter in our small house.

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little OT.. but what are some good apps for the iPad (sheet music and piano related), specifically iPad pro.. i just got one over the holidays. I've heard good things about Forscore..

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I too purchased a Surface Book at the beginning of Dec, from Costco in Canada, the model I wanted.

It is working well for me and my older eyes. I have loved having my music on an Acer 11.6" tablet for the last several years, but the size is much superior on the Surface Book because of the screen format. The screen is almost identical to that of the actual music, and the resolution is excellent. I feel as if I am reading easy music, because of its size. LOL

I was able to copy everything from the Acer merely using a USB. I file and store the music in Music Reader, with everything scanned in PDF, or sometimes downloaded from IMSLP. I wasn't able to use my original registration number for the program, but both Music Reader and Airturn, where I bought it, replied to my emails for help within the day, were very helpful,and enabled me to reinstall on the Surface Book. (I use an Airturn pedal for page turning.)

I next bought the Staffpad app from Microsoft just a week ago. It's a steep learning curve, but I am beginning to master turning written manuscript magically into printed format on the tablet, using the electronic pen that comes with the SB. I just wish Windows was not so helpful, keeping hidden what it is doing. I suspect an Ipad user would be more accustomed to the ways of a tablet, which I tend to use as a PC computer except for music. I like to know what and where I saved stuff. But Sibelius definitely has some competition now in creating scores.

I do love not having to rummage for music, playing where the whim takes me, and not having to turn pages manually. It takes time to scan in the original music, but once you do, it is there in a beautifully organized library. I also can annotate and highlight to my heart's content, or remove, as needed.

The battery life on the Surface Book in tablet form is lasting me about 3 hrs for playing. And if I want to, I can install the tablet screen backwards on the keyboard, fold it back like a book, and then have many hours - at least nine. (One battery is in the tablet, the remainder in the keyboard base which can be detached.) It would be a bit bulky in this latter format to set on a flimsy music stand, but not on a piano. The SB is expensive enough that I doubt I would want to trust setting it on the average music stand. I recall knocking a violin off a chair in orchestra practice when I was in my teens. Violins now always go safely into a completely closed case when not in use.







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Originally Posted by Gatsbee13
little OT.. but what are some good apps for the iPad (sheet music and piano related), specifically iPad pro.. i just got one over the holidays. I've heard good things about Forscore..


I can highly recommend forScore, which I’ve been using for the past 15 months (14 of those with an iPad 4). It well and truly deserves the rave reviews it gets, and I can personally vouch for its support, which is outstanding. On two occasions I’ve emailed for help with an aspect of the programme, and each time the response has been very prompt, courteous and fully informed.

ForScore has come into its own with the iPad Pro - for starters, a scanned sheet of music looks even better than the original print. Eventually all of my paper albums will stay on the bookshelf. smile



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Terry Michael #2500742 01/15/16 06:56 PM
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JoBert, which Amazon tablet are you using?


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I personally don't think resolution is that important for reading music, but definitely the size of the tablet is more important. That tablet posted by the OP probably would be fine for movies because of the wide aspect, which of course, for music is totally unacceptable. Obviously something with an 8 1/2 by 11 screen with the ability to change pages quickly would be the best. Music, being black and white should still be fairly easy to read unless it gets too pixelated. Of course this is all my opinion, but in this case I would guess that size does matter!

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Terry Michael #2500821 01/16/16 04:21 AM
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LXXX, thank you for such a detailed account of your methods. I had a Surface 3 with staffPad and the tablet was marvelously adept at integrating the pen but the program (StaffPad) was a huge disappointment for me. I sold the surface 3 (it was also too small for using at the piano) so now I'm back to square one.

I'm pretty certain the ipadPro will be great at the piano but there does not appear to be a program like StaffPad that works well with the iPad. (yet!) I should say.


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http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/touch-notation-by-kawai/

This is the iPad app for music notation. Not really in the same league as Staffpad but it does work.



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Terry Michael #2500852 01/16/16 07:35 AM
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JoBert, which Amazon tablet are you using?

I'm using the Amazon Fire HD 10. Before that I used the Amazon Kindle Fire HDX 8.9, but that was indeed a tad too small (though it still worked).
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I personally don't think resolution is that important for reading music, but definitely the size of the tablet is more important. That tablet posted by the OP probably would be fine for movies because of the wide aspect, which of course, for music is totally unacceptable.

Which is why you would of course put it into portrait orientation. smile
Kidding aside, the Digiland has the same size and aspect ratio as my Fire HD 10 (although a lower resolution, i.e. larger pixels). That size and aspect ratio works fine for sheet music (although only for people without vision problems). It's not ideal, but totally workable, at about 22% of the price of an iPad pro (which I would certainly like to have if someone wants to donate one? cool ). An option with a "better" aspect ratio but similar price and resolution as the Fire HD would be for example the Samsung Galaxy Tab A.

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I have the Lenova K3011 which a great size for reading music... here is one on ebay for$175

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-IdeaTab-Lynx-K3011-64GB-Wi-Fi-11-6in-Black-/141876978993?hash=item210886e531:m:mDbjAGBZpbGrqmLcK18TvEQ

What I really need, to eliminate paper, is a good program for annotating music, since I only play classical. I can't find yet a good program that will annotate on Windows 8.1

DrawBoard http://www.drawboard.com/#drawboardpdf
was recommended as a program to watch... has anyone used this?


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I did it! I bought the iPadPro. So stoked right now. (AND so broke!) The pencil seems to be on backorder so I have to wait for it until February. frown

I think I'm going to get ForScore and get ALL of my sheet music into PDF format for ForScore (That'll take me weeks probably) But my only dilemma now is: What to buy for NOTATING music. I tried StaffPad on a Surface and have to be honest, I was not impressed.

Does anyone have NOTION? Or is there something else that is good for writing music into the iPadPro using the Apple pencil?


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Hi Terry.. Congrats! You will come to love the pro as I have!

FYI.. The Apple pencil can be bought from bestbuy.com .. I would hurry up and make the purchase as it sells out quickly as I've noticed on their site. (In-stock and out of stock intermittently). This is where I bought mine.

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