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Re: Beethoven - Sonata 17 "The Tempest" #420769
04/04/06 01:32 PM
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So how do you guys play the tremolos in the beginning, I just started this sonata.

What is the "right" way to play it and what is the "better" way? Do you cross over hands or do you switch with left taking over the tremolo while right hand plays the melody???


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Re: Beethoven - Sonata 17 "The Tempest" #420770
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Also since this is my favorite sonata of all time and possibly my favorite piano work of all time I want to ask if anyone knows more history about it in light of Bluthner bringing up that he finds no relation to shakespeare.

The only significant thing I know is that I have read allegedly Czerny (Beethoven's pupil) said that the famous 3rd movement of the tempest was written when Beethoven was improvising on the piano and a horse galloped by in front of the window and that gave Beethoven an idea and he began to improvise that syncopated theme that is remniscient of a horse running if you think about it.


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Hi RA,
I have studied this sonata for a long time and know it well. For the 1st movement tremolo part, I use left hand for all the melodies. The exception is the first two arpeggios, the first time this appears in the first movement- measures 21-28. Here, I still play the tremolo with the rh, but the difference is for the whole note tied for 3 measures, I play with the left hand, and then switch to my right hand thumb, so it can sustain while the left hand plays the upper melody. Hope that's intelligible. I find you get greater consistency using the rh for all the tremolos, and the lh for all the melody.
As far as inspirations, I too have read the Shakespeare, and cannot find any connection as far as character of the piece, or the structure. I've heard the anecdote about the galloping horse before, and I think that's a nice image for the last movement.

Re: Beethoven - Sonata 17 "The Tempest" [Re: Xj819333] #2493661
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How do you keep the right hand steady in the tremolo part?


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Re: Beethoven - Sonata 17 "The Tempest" [Re: Xj819333] #2495514
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Check out Barenboim's Masterclasses on Beethoven Piano Sonatas. He coached someone the 1st movement of Tempest.

Personally, I think the 2nd movement is most difficult. It is slow. One needs to bring his/her musical skills out to keep the audience's attention. The arpeggio passages require long practice.


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