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Yamaha CLP-575 distortion #2489406
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Hello,

I have recently bought a Yamaha CLP-575, but soon I noticed that at higher volumes (above 70%) I hear a painful distortion when I for example play several notes after one another with sustain pedal engaged (for example: Bb6 -> Ab6 -> G5). The effect is especially strong with a trill with sustain pedal.

I hear the effect both without and with headphones, so that rules out acoustics.

A Yamaha man came by to listen, and he agrees the sound is there, but ascribed it to acoustics of the living room (which is weird because it's there also with headphones). I am about to change this model for a piano of another brand, because my ears ring after playing only a few minutes at volumes of 70+.

Anybody else have this experience? I also heard this distortion in the showroom of the store, so to me it seems it might be for this model, not just my unit. The strange thing is, I haven't encountered this problem on any forum, which makes me wonder if I'm crazy or not...

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Re: Yamaha CLP-575 distortion [Re: arvest] #2489421
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I have heard similar issues as you describe with Roland DPs. There my ears start to hurt when playing a group of notes in the high treble range (around d6 from top of my head) So I'm not surprised at all.


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but how is this possible? can they not put some decent hardware in there for this amount of money, that doesn't have this painful distortion?

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I think it's in the samples, not in the hardware. Particularly as you have the issue also with the headphones.


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Re: Yamaha CLP-575 distortion [Re: arvest] #2489558
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arvest, may I ask if you have tried different piano sounds? I gather the CLP-575 features sounds of both a Yamaha CFX and a Bosendorfer Grand Imperial. It could be that the characteristic you describe is only present (or more prominent) in one of the sounds.

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kawai james, it is present in all samples, over almost the full range of the piano (from the octave below the central c, to about 2 or 3 above), with Yamaha CFX, Bosendorfer Grand Imperial, the different Grand Piano's, and even the electric pianos have it (which are not sampled?).

seems to me it is really in the sound reproduction hardware..

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arvest, okay I see.

It's strange, though - the CLP-575 is a very highly regarded instrument.

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Re: Yamaha CLP-575 distortion [Re: arvest] #2490647
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I went to the store the other day to listen to some other brands, and I noticed that the ringing also happens at all the other brands/models, although one model a bit more than the other.

In the end, I think I am just very sensitve to this kind of ringing/distortion and I'll either have to live with it, or give up the DP in generral..

thanks for the feedback all!

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Would you mind uploading a file where it is clearly audible to you?


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It sounds like what you're hearing is just a natural treble resonance that does sound quite off/thin/dissonant with cheap samples/speakers.

The term distortion means something else though, so you're going to confuse people if you say it sounds distorted.

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Not sure if it's helpful, but I have a CVP-705 which I believe are identical voices (i.e. CFX, Bosendorfer, "VRM"). I did the same test and didn't come across anything... although I am usually sensitive to high pitched noises.

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Originally Posted by arvest
Hello,

I have recently bought a Yamaha CLP-575, but soon I noticed that at higher volumes (above 70%) I hear a painful distortion when I for example play several notes after one another with sustain pedal engaged (for example: Bb6 -> Ab6 -> G5). The effect is especially strong with a trill with sustain pedal.

I hear the effect both without and with headphones, so that rules out acoustics.

A Yamaha man came by to listen, and he agrees the sound is there, but ascribed it to acoustics of the living room (which is weird because it's there also with headphones). I am about to change this model for a piano of another brand, because my ears ring after playing only a few minutes at volumes of 70+.

Anybody else have this experience? I also heard this distortion in the showroom of the store, so to me it seems it might be for this model, not just my unit. The strange thing is, I haven't encountered this problem on any forum, which makes me wonder if I'm crazy or not...

Why would you want to use the sustain when trilling?
You use the word "painful". Annoying but surely not painfull?

If recently bought as you said, and there is a recogisable fault then if in the UK you have legal right to return the item for repair, replacement or refund at the dealers choice. However if no fault found then the dealer has no obligation to refund unless that is in their standard conditions when it was bought.

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