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Re: Input Needed On AvantGrand N2 vs. Acoustic - New Questions
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Re: Input Needed On AvantGrand N2 vs. Acoustic - New Questions
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Originally Posted by andythefiredog
Overall I'm thrilled and the feel is exceptional. I definitely thing the correct setting in my enviroment is lowering the reverb and upping the TRS, now to just make it the default. Manual time!
Unfortunately, one lacking thing about the AG is the clunky interface and control. Not very intuitive and you need to consult the manual for many things. Don't be surprised if you figure out that you can't have certain settings as default upon turn on.

One thing you may also want to try is to set the action sensitivity setting to make it more sensitive. I personally like this feel a lot better than the default. Unfortunately you can't change it as the default. Just have to remember to do a few key strokes to set it up upon power up.

I know, why can't they do that on such an expensive instrument? It's not like they can't. It's almost as if they chose not to, because some settings you can save as default but others you can't. Go figure.

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Is that really so bad?

My upright piano has fixed settings. It ALWAYS remembers those settings ... and it doesn't let me change any of them!

So perhaps the AG is meant to be like an acoustic: Buy it because you like the way it is. The way it will always be.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
So perhaps the AG is meant to be like an acoustic: Buy it because you like the way it is. The way it will always be.

An acoustic grand can be adjusted in many ways by a technican, there are not "default settings", every instrument is unique. So you buy something you already like, but then you get someone to work on it to make it sound really great.


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If a pianist also happens to be a technician then the piano could be set to default parameters similar to a digital. Of course, if the pianist/technician wants a brighter sound per se, he/she will need to literally harden the hammers and then some.

I love acoustics, but I'd expect by now a self-tuning/regulating Steinway. Just imagine being able to make your Steinway sound brighter/darker at the touch of a button, and better yet, not having to deal with tuners and their greasy sandwiches on your piano (not all tuners come with greasy sandwiches; some tuners are very professional and usually have their lunch once they've completed the job).

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Yeah, I think Yamaha's intention is probably to have users just turn it on and play and everyone has the same consistent experience by default from the same piano, so there won't be confusion on the consistency of the quality of the feel and the sound. I'm pretty sure they can allow customized settings be saved as default if they want to (and they actually have done so on some settings), so it has to be intentional for them to not allow other (more important?) settings to remain unchanged as the default.

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I can understand them wanting it always to come on with the defaults, so that one person can't mess it up for anyone else who comes to play, particularly in non-obvious ways.

But there should be a compromise such as some easily accessible, dedicated Setup buttons, which with a single press allow you to recall all your custom settings. Place them by the power switch so that you can power on and select your personal setup in a single motion. Or maybe a large, very obvious switch with Default and Custom positions.

Which is better? I don't know, but that's why you make prototypes and employ usability testing throughout product development. Or at least they should. Some DPs make it seem like there wasn't any usability testing at all... cool


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Re: Input Needed On AvantGrand N2 vs. Acoustic - New Questions
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I know this is an old thread, but I just wanted to say that it's the single-best discussion on the relative merits of the N2 I've yet read.

Like OP, I agonized over various factors of an N2 vs a small acoustic GP (in my case several Yamaha G1 models, new and used), and ultimately came to the decision that the N2 was unbeatable relative to size, practice privacy, lack of tuning maintenance, feel and sound production.

Thanks to this thread, I was able to flip off the first dealer I approached, as his "discount" price was $11,300 plus tax (with free delivery), and he sported a personality to match. I found an N2 at another dealer for $8,600 plus tax (free delivery), and the guy was so helpful and insightful about these instruments that I decided not to haggle, and do my small part to keep him in business.

Before this purchase, I tried everything -- flagship models from Roland, Kawai, Yamaha, as well as very-off-the-beaten-track brands that can (on occasion) surprise with unexpected quality in one way or another. The AG line was so clearly superior to the others that the only question became that of price. It was interesting; I tried the N3 several times, and the sound simply didn't cut it compared to the N2 -- too fluffy and weirdly projected. The dealer from whom I ultimately bought the N2 had the same reaction; he prefers the N1-2 to the N3 on purely sonic grounds.

Anyway -- I'm just thrilled with the purchase, and want to thank you guys for the excellent mulling-over you did on the N2 in this thread. I anticipate years of joy as a result.

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Cairnie, THANKS. I sent you a PM by the way. Appreciate your post.

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I know this is an old thread, but I just wanted to say that it's the single-best discussion on the relative merits of the N2 I've yet read.

Like OP, I agonized over various factors of an N2 vs a small acoustic GP (in my case several Yamaha G1 models, new and used), and ultimately came to the decision that the N2 was unbeatable relative to size, practice privacy, lack of tuning maintenance, feel and sound production.

Thanks to this thread, I was able to flip off the first dealer I approached, as his "discount" price was $11,300 plus tax (with free delivery), and he sported a personality to match. I found an N2 at another dealer for $8,600 plus tax (free delivery), and the guy was so helpful and insightful about these instruments that I decided not to haggle, and do my small part to keep him in business.

Before this purchase, I tried everything -- flagship models from Roland, Kawai, Yamaha, as well as very-off-the-beaten-track brands that can (on occasion) surprise with unexpected quality in one way or another. The AG line was so clearly superior to the others that the only question became that of price. It was interesting; I tried the N3 several times, and the sound simply didn't cut it compared to the N2 -- too fluffy and weirdly projected. The dealer from whom I ultimately bought the N2 had the same reaction; he prefers the N1-2 to the N3 on purely sonic grounds.

Anyway -- I'm just thrilled with the purchase, and want to thank you guys for the excellent mulling-over you did on the N2 in this thread. I anticipate years of joy as a result.

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