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Re: Baldwin Models not in Piano Buyer [Re: KurtZ] #2487680
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I disagree, David. I'm aware of many more Baldwin dealers now than in the past 10 years. Differences in regional experience, perhaps?


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Re: Baldwin Models not in Piano Buyer [Re: Rickster] #2487689
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[quote=Rickster]Thanks for the valuable comments and insights, Sam and William. It's real, and reputable piano dealers (past and current) like you two, along with Steve Cohen and others, who make significant contributions to the forum in terms of real, credible information that is valuable to all piano enthusiasts and consumers alike. Also, it's fair to say that challenging or countering information or opinions of others that may be erroneous, wrong, or merely half right, (sarcastic or not smile ) is a good thing, in my view.

I don't think this aspect of PW can be overemphasised!


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Re: Baldwin Models not in Piano Buyer [Re: KurtZ] #2487691
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Rickster, I tend to agree with Sam and Will. I know you're being a little sarcastic, but the more you write comments like that, the more they'll seem legit. People who encounter them later won't necessarily know the over-arching back story.

I suspect most of the issues were not occurring simultaneously, and would have been corrected after discovery. I still think Baldwin's main problems were managerial. In fact, even production problems can be tied to management, at least indirectly. If moves to Arkansas and Mexico resulted in poor information/knowledge transfer, as I think Sally pointed out in multiple examples, then those too are attributable to management and management decisions.

Anyway, as at least one person pointed out, that era is so far behind that any specimens from then should have long since been repaired.

I think Baldwin had good designs and built good pianos--or at least had the capacity to do so--until they started making bad management decisions (compounded by market forces too).

P.S. I know your last comment sort of turned that around. I empathize with your frustration re. those disparaging remarks. I too love my Baldwin! laugh


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Re: Baldwin Models not in Piano Buyer [Re: Rickster] #2487695
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I'd like a new SF-10 in Walnut. Might settle for an L.

According to information I've read, Baldwin, now a subsidiary of Gibson, stopped manufacturing pianos in the US around 2008, with the exception of orders that were already placed and in the pipeline; hence the skeleton crew remaining at the Trumann Arkansas plant.

It's difficult for me to understand how a new Baldwin Artist grand can sit on a dealer's showroom floor for 7 years, or longer, unsold; but I guess stranger things have happened.



Me too, but I'm serious: if someone still has a new SF-10 in Walnut, I'll buy it. I'd consider an L, and, heck, I might even be willing to settle for ebony. So If someone can point me to these dealers, I'd appreciate it.


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Re: Baldwin Models not in Piano Buyer [Re: KurtZ] #2487793
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Originally Posted by Retsacnal
Rickster, I tend to agree with Sam and Will. I know you're being a little sarcastic, but the more you write comments like that, the more they'll seem legit. People who encounter them later won't necessarily know the over-arching back story.

You know, you're right, Retsacnal, as well as Sam and Will. I'll tone down the sarcasm a bit (okay, a lot smile ) and, I stand corrected.

And, I hope Kurt forgives me for hi-jacking his thread, which he already has; thanks, Kurt! smile

All the best,

Rick


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Re: Baldwin Models not in Piano Buyer [Re: terminaldegree] #2487975
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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
I disagree, David. I'm aware of many more Baldwin dealers now than in the past 10 years. Differences in regional experience, perhaps?


You may be right in the past 10 years. I have seen several changes in the "new" piano dealers in my area in the past 20 years. Some retire and some new dealers fill there place with different brands. Sadly, for me we lost our closest Baldwin dealer many years ago. We had a huge dealer that had a very large selection of all the current models. That was around the time Gibson had bought Baldwin and they had a special Gibson/Baldwin red studio size piano. It was great to have so many pianos to compare side by side.


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Re: Baldwin Models not in Piano Buyer [Re: PianoWorksATL] #2488104
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It is refreshing to finally read some balanced perspectives on Baldwin pianos from various eras. As the owner of a very fine L from 1989, I have been baffled by the ease with which some folks will paint all Baldwin pianos from certain decades with a broad and nasty brush. It's not only misleading in general but (I think tragically) encourages used-piano seekers to ignore some really wonderful instruments -- to not even consider them when, following tech inspection, they might have had the piano of their dreams. Some threads from the fairly recent past, but well before this year's rather extreme Baldwin-bashing posts, had good historical information and offered it in the context of reality, including judging instrument-by-instrument rather than by eras, management problems, and so on. This current thread has become most helpful also -- thank you all.


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