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Which method for right hand?
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What technique will I use
in section 21 of the pdf?
The thumb under the hand or to move the whole hand?

this link: http://www.chopinproject.com/media/walzamin.pdf

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Always move the whole hand.


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You need to do both. Once the thumb's out of reach move the hand.

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"Section 21", really?

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Originally Posted by Liszt_BG
"Section 21", really?


My guess is that s/he means "measure 21".

It's a combination of thumb under and hand movement. Obviously the hand eventually has to move to reach the upper notes of the arpeggio and the hand should move as the thumb moves towards the note that it will play. The movement needs to be done without a break in the sound and without any notes "sticking out" louder than any others. It should be practiced without pedal until you can achieve a smooth, connected sound.

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How do you play an E Major arpeggio with your right hand - by turning the thumb under? I watched some videos and read some exercise books by Peskanov and he says just move the hand, so I guess it is what works best for you. I learned this piece using thumb under. It makes you more accurate if you just decide to move the hand.
Take a look at the right hand of Dance of Puck, the prelude by Debussy, starting at measure 39. That section nearly gave me a nervous breakdown in college because I had never heard of "flying" to the next position and land playing - very rapid lateral hand movement called for.

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You need both thumb and sideways movement.
You do not want to waste time and energy twisting the wrist though. The thumb tucks under and the hand moves sideways at the same time. I believe people who say "thumb under doesn't work" in arpeggios and scales are often using too much twisting and THAT'S why it doesn't work.
Ideally you have a nimble hand and good timing and can make a legato.
Breaking the legato to get sideways faster is cheating. But cheating can be just fine in many situations, particularly if the pedal is down.
I've been going back and forth on whether to use just teeny dabs of pedal here and there on those arpeggios in the last movement of Op 2 no 2 wink I'd like to play the legato perfectly, but...


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