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Best Digital Piano - Touch & Tone? (Cost no object)
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Presuming cost is not an issue for the moment, what digital pianos should we consider for the finest in touch and tone ? However, the piano sound will be ported to house speakers rather than out of the piano itself so the quality of the speakers in the piano actually does not matter as much as long as there are speakers.

At this point, I'm aware of the Yamaha Avant Grand series and the Roland V Piano Grand. These cost the most but I realize that cost does not always correlate with quality.

Context: This is for a church with some fine classical pianists. Someone had donated a lower quality grand some years back. The church has spend thousands trying to fix it and keep it in tune. Once bitten twice shy. So they are convinced that digital piano is the way to go - but want the best in touch and tone within the realm of a digital piano.

Thank you in advance for any help.


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In this situation, with a view to using external speakers but with requiring internal speakers as well I'd check out Kawai CA67/97 and Yamaha N1. The V-Piano has no internal speakers.

How well such a set up is going to work will depend a lot on the amplification chosen.

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If you are going through a speaker system, I'd recommend the combination of AvantGrand N1 + Pianoteq (for Pianoteq a computer is necessary, but any reasonably modern laptop will be enough).

The AvantGrands are the only digitals to have an actual grand piano action, important for classical pianists used to such an action. If you aren't using the in-built speakers I see no reason to prefer the more expensive models.

The AvantGrand sound engine is OK but it's several years old now and doesn't give anywhere near the expressive possibilities of a good modelled piano. It also gives no possibility of editing the sound: you have two grand piano sounds, and if you aren't happy with them, too bad! If you add Pianoteq, you have something that reacts like a real piano, and you can choose from a large number of piano sounds, which can all be edited in detail to suit the church acoustics and the speakers you are using.


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The best in touch must definitely be the avantgarde series, since it features a real acoustic action, which is "the real thing".

Soundwise it's possibly another story. I read that the sample set is pretty of age now, since yamaha's updates are scarce. And by the way, at least regarding the grandpiano variant, i've read the samples are somehow set up to sound right just thru the piano's own amplification / speakerset, which is directional and rather complex, while driving it's sound thru a standard amplification would lead to unsatisfying results.

So theorically, the top solution appears to be to couple it's top action to a Vst of choice, and then drive it thru external amplification.

But that looks REALLY expensive, beginning from the piano's price itself, and by the way could make arise some questions about the good "connection" between sound and action with different Vsts. So perhaps one would want to look at a more efficient compromise.

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I have tried the avantgrand and for me the touch was not as good as the Kawai CA67/97. I was very disappointed with that whole avantgrand range.

The roland sound is a love or hate thing - you either love it or hate it. I found the touch too light on the rolands.

You can't go wrong with Kawai CA series. It is not horrifically expensive either.






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While Pianoteq may be fine for one's personal use, I would be hesitant to use a computer-based solution for a piano that is shared by many musicians. Not all of them may be excited by the prospect of learning all of the software features and startup procedures. They'll want to sit down and play. And if the computer "goes missing," you're toast.

Honestly, I would first look at getting a better (more recent) acoustic grand. Not all pianos are bad pianos, but some are. Most classical pianists like real pianos, and if price is not of paramount importance, have a piano technician help you find a more reliable instrument. I've learned to never accept a free piano. They aren't free.

If you go with a digital piano, I would talk to all of the pianists themselves. Their opinion is worth far more than the opinion of people you don't know on an Internet discussion group. Do any of them have preferred models? Do they prefer software emulations? Maybe arrange an expedition to a nearby showroom that has the high-end Kawai and Yamaha models and see if they can come to a consensus. But do get a recent model. I recently played on a Yamaha digital-in-a-grand-piano-case from several years back and really did not like the touch or the sound.


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Originally Posted by faulhorn
Presuming cost is not an issue for the moment, what digital pianos should we consider for the finest in touch and tone ? However, the piano sound will be ported to house speakers rather than out of the piano itself so the quality of the speakers in the piano actually does not matter as much as long as there are speakers.

At this point, I'm aware of the Yamaha Avant Grand series and the Roland V Piano Grand. These cost the most but I realize that cost does not always correlate with quality.

Context: This is for a church with some fine classical pianists. Someone had donated a lower quality grand some years back. The church has spend thousands trying to fix it and keep it in tune. Once bitten twice shy. So they are convinced that digital piano is the way to go - but want the best in touch and tone within the realm of a digital piano.

Thank you in advance for any help.


Thanks,
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Would you tell the difference in a church setting, between a decent concert grand, or an inexpensive digital? Years back, I played a concert Bluthner for a singer. And somebody else after us was using a digital, around 1985. It sounded better. . .

Just edited my earlier response. Not for me to judge these things . .

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Rodney's seems a good suggestion. "fine classical pianists" often don't get along well with digitals other than for silently practicing at night, worse with computers, and they have their "fine" reasons.

A sound and quality acoustic by the way should do fine with a couple of tunimg jobs a year. You simply might have a bad piano.


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These acoustic Yamaha grand, whatever avant grand number it it, are great. I would personally choose that if for whatever reason, I could not have an acoustic.

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Would you tell the difference in a church setting, between a decent concert grand, or an inexpensive digital? Years back, I played a concert Bluthner for a singer. And somebody else after us was using a digital, around 1985. It sounded better.


This was my thought too, especially as the audience will be listening principly through a PA system as I understand it. Also, I agree with the idea that a computer based system may not be appropriate unless there is a full time tech who looks after the equipment and is responsible for it.

The piano which sounds best through the PA is what will count here. I'd suggest Kawai ES8, Roland FP80 and Yamaha P255. Ideally, they should be tried in situ with as they will behave differently and sound very different through the PA. All of these have forward facing speakers which would be optimal for monitoring by the pianist.

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Originally Posted by ColoRodney
While Pianoteq may be fine for one's personal use, I would be hesitant to use a computer-based solution for a piano that is shared by many musicians. Not all of them may be excited by the prospect of learning all of the software features and startup procedures. They'll want to sit down and play. And if the computer "goes missing," you're toast.

Honestly, I would first look at getting a better (more recent) acoustic grand. Not all pianos are bad pianos, but some are. Most classical pianists like real pianos, and if price is not of paramount importance, have a piano technician help you find a more reliable instrument. I've learned to never accept a free piano. They aren't free.

If you go with a digital piano, I would talk to all of the pianists themselves. Their opinion is worth far more than the opinion of people you don't know on an Internet discussion group. Do any of them have preferred models? Do they prefer software emulations? Maybe arrange an expedition to a nearby showroom that has the high-end Kawai and Yamaha models and see if they can come to a consensus. But do get a recent model. I recently played on a Yamaha digital-in-a-grand-piano-case from several years back and really did not like the touch or the sound.


This. Fine classical pianists will not be happy with any digital, unless they have to compromise for things like silent practice or space constraints, money, etc. But if given a choice, they will always want an acoustic.

Your church was donated a piano which by the sounds of it, was not kept in good repair during it's life. Sometimes there's no saving some instruments. However, the value that you get from a good, regulated acoustic is well worth it. Since the OP says "cost no object", then you should be considering an acoustic.

I highly recommend that you talk with the pianists playing, and see if you can ask them what they would like. You will be trying to find a minimum size that would be suitable, since getting a concert grand is probably not in the budget.

Personally, I think if you buy a used Yamaha and have a technician give it a once-over before purchase to make sure it's in good shape, you can get a fair price. I recommend getting one that is bigger than 6' - preferably 7'. Have one of the pianists try it out as well before buying. If the church is gunshy about an acoustic, then perhaps buying new with a warranty would be best.

I just do not recommend a digital. The Kawai CA series is very good, but no digital can quite mimic an acoustic no matter how much money is thrown at it.


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If the acoustic piano is going to be miked through the house speakers, then maybe a digital piano would sound better. The VST's are sampled/modeled after VERY expensive pianos.


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Questions:

a) Is the piano normally going to be run through the house PA system,
or is the piano sometimes going to be used as a "standalone" instrument?

To put it differently:

. . . Does the piano need its own speakers strictly for monitoring by the player,
. . . or will they be listened to by other people?

If the speakers are just for monitoring, you have the whole world of "stage pianos" open to you. "Premium" models would include the Roland V-Piano and RD800, and the Kawai MP-11. Cover unused controls (everything but the "on/off" switch) with a piece of plastic. A small powered monitor speaker will let the player hear him/herself. It won't look like an acoustic piano, but it'll sound reasonably close to one, through a good PA system.

b) As Morodiene says, you really need "performer buy-in" on any digital piano. If you haven't consulted the musicians, you should do it early in the "piano replacement process".

c) Do you have a sound man during performances, or is your PA system "set and forget"?

Having a person controlling the PA system lets the player concentrate on _playing_, rather than worrying about how the piano sounds to the audience. It's difficult to judge sound balance in the pews, from the stage.

Please report back as you proceed. You're not the only person who's been in this pickle. I (for one) am interested in what you decide.

PS -- I forget what Morodiene currently plays in church, but I think it's a DP. And I think she has an MP-11. So she might have an informed opinion about:

. . . "Which DP involves the _least compromise_ of acoustic-piano
. . . touch and tone?"

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PS -- I forget what Morodiene currently plays in church, but I think it's a DP. And I think she has an MP-11. So she might have an informed opinion about:

. . . "Which DP involves the _least compromise_ of acoustic-piano
. . . touch and tone?"


While I own an MP11, my church owns a Yamaha CP4. The Yamaha is decent, but nothing that I would consider comparable to a good acoustic grand. But for DPs, it's good. The MP11 is much better as far as action, but where all DPs fall short is the sound.

Even if you go with the ideal digital piano sound available: using software pianos on a laptop, it still will not be like playing an acoustic to the pianists. No matter how loud you make it, it's the responsiveness that one gets from a good acoustic that just isn't reproduced through speakers. Pianists can adapt, but classical pianists are known for being difficult about this kind of thing. Chances are you'll hear no end of complaints from some of them. wink

Also I think a previous poster pointed out that using software pianos involves another level of learning on part of the pianists, and it could be a huge source of frustration for them if they can't get it to work or don't have knack for such things. A simple set up is best, where the pianist and just turn the thing on and play.


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Thank you everyone for the replies. Please keep the comments coming. I find a lot to gain from collective wisdom.

Currently, based on my reading online, it seems that AvantGrand does have the best actions. However, the modeling may leave something to be desired.

Question for you MRC, are you saying that one can use the Avant Grand+Pianoteq (with laptop), one can have all the expressiveness of the AvantGrand's design such as varied pedal position etc? I though the sound of the AvantGrand is tied to is own sampling and using 3rd party piano sounds reduces the nuanced functions. Is that not so?

My understanding is that the N1, N2 and N3 has the same key actions so there's no reason to prefer the N3 over N1 in that aspect. However, given that we are in a large auditorium that has been over damped to within an inch of its life (read - dead sounding) the sound over the piano speaker could matter. Does the N2 or N3 have speakers point more directly at the pianist's ear?

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If you are going through a speaker system, I'd recommend the combination of AvantGrand N1 + Pianoteq (for Pianoteq a computer is necessary, but any reasonably modern laptop will be enough).

The AvantGrands are the only digitals to have an actual grand piano action, important for classical pianists used to such an action. If you aren't using the in-built speakers I see no reason to prefer the more expensive models.

The AvantGrand sound engine is OK but it's several years old now and doesn't give anywhere near the expressive possibilities of a good modelled piano. It also gives no possibility of editing the sound: you have two grand piano sounds, and if you aren't happy with them, too bad! If you add Pianoteq, you have something that reacts like a real piano, and you can choose from a large number of piano sounds, which can all be edited in detail to suit the church acoustics and the speakers you are using.

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What do you mean by "I though the sound of the AvantGrand is tied to is own sampling and using 3rd party piano sounds reduces the nuanced functions." ?

Using 3rd party piano sounds will get a result depending of the 3rd party sound. Some use too few velocity levels, but some others are quite good. Ivory ACD has up to 20 velocity levels and blends samples from different levels to get you a different timbre for each nuance.

You also have VSL Vienna Imperial with 100 levels... but it is very expensive !


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Originally Posted by faulhorn
...Question for you MRC, are you saying that one can use the Avant Grand+Pianoteq (with laptop), one can have all the expressiveness of the AvantGrand's design such as varied pedal position etc? I though the sound of the AvantGrand is tied to is own sampling and using 3rd party piano sounds reduces the nuanced functions. Is that not so?


What's being suggested is simply that ANY Digital Piano with MIDI functionality (and most DP's DO have MIDI functionality) can support a software piano such as Pianoteq.

All that needs to be done is to turn down/off the volume of the DP's onboard sounds, and just use the sounds coming out of the software piano (your PC). That allows the best of both worlds - you get a DP with the best action that you can, then you get the software piano with the sounds that you prefer.

I'm not sure what you mean by "nuanced functions", but most software pianos are fairly sophisticated in their features and "tweakability".

One caveat: You will need either a) speakers coming out of your PC to play the software piano's sounds OR b) you'll need a Digital Piano with a "Line-In" port to send the PC's sound back into the piano and play thru the piano's speakers. In a large hall, you're better off with Option A.

I hope this helps.


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Originally Posted by faulhorn
Question for you MRC, are you saying that one can use the Avant Grand+Pianoteq (with laptop), one can have all the expressiveness of the AvantGrand's design such as varied pedal position etc? I though the sound of the AvantGrand is tied to is own sampling and using 3rd party piano sounds reduces the nuanced functions. Is that not so?


Only with respect to the particular speaker systems in the AvantGrands. The sound engine of the AvantGrands is tailored to suit the four channel speaker systems of these instruments. A third party sound won't be able to make use of this, so there is a certain advantage to using the built in sounds when playing through the instrument's own speakers. If the piano is being played through an external speaker system the AvantGrand sound will be transmitted as normal stereo, so with external speakers this advantage disappears.

Apart from that, a third party sound can react to all nuances of touch and pedalling as well as, or maybe even better than, the AvantGrand's own sound.


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Hi friend is a very difficult thing to find both features in the same package, in my particular taste, maybe a combination of Kawai CA97 key action for touch with Roland LX17 sound generator (maybe a Roland Integra 7) would be a perfect match for your desired search. Have a nice day...!

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Thanks. So to respond to your questions:

1. The space is too large for an acoustic piano (can seat 800) so the sound for its intended purposes will always be through the house PA. The piano will also be playing alongside a band often so another reason that we need amplification.

This is another reason for going away from acoustic piano - it's been a pain to mic our current acoustic properly.

2. That said, the pianist will need to hear his/her own playing so a speaker or monitor will be necessary.

3. Touch does matter as there are many classically trained pianist who will use it. They know that whatever we get is the best decision that we can do collectively. Because some of our pianist plays daily on a grand piano at home, we though action is very important.

Does sound like Avant Grand will provide the most acoustic grand like action. And then if some pianist is ambitious and want to try Pianoteq or the likes....we can.

I do wonder how the Kawai CA97 action compares to the Roland V or AvantGrand. And how each of the three's sound come across in a PA system.

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