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2001 Steinway B Ebony Satin #2482868
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We are going to look at one from a private seller in about 2 weeks. It looks pristine, original owner, tuned regularly. So well-maintained. Of course I have no idea how it feels and sounds. I will know more in 2 weeks.

Provided it is in very good to excellent condition, what is a pretty decent range of prices for it? They are asking 58k but said negotiable. They are not in a hurry to sell, but their son who plays went away to college and they need money to help pay for his future years of college.

Thoughts?


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There are a lot of very fine new pianos in the 7' size with a "street price" of $50-60k that aren't Steinways. For that matter, you can also find some really high-end comprehensive rebuilds of B's for that price (with varying degrees of excellence in performance and execution). NY Steinway B's are not hard to find used from various vintages, so take your time.

A private sale situation for a high-dollar piano is probably advantage: buyer in this market. I'd bet you could negotiate the price, unless it's an unusually excellent example of the model.


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Re: 2001 Steinway B Ebony Satin [Re: terminaldegree] #2482892
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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
There are a lot of very fine new pianos in the 7' size with a "street price" of $50-60k that aren't Steinways. For that matter, you can also find some really high-end comprehensive rebuilds of B's for that price (with varying degrees of excellence in performance and execution). NY Steinway B's are not hard to find used from various vintages, so take your time.

A private sale situation for a high-dollar piano is probably advantage: buyer in this market. I'd bet you could negotiate the price, unless it's an unusually excellent example of the model.


Thats kind of what I am thinking! It will also save on sales tax. We are looking at a Mason and Hamlin AA (I think) on Tuesday. We did play a very nice Yamaha C5 from the mid 2000-2010. It was solid, sounded good... and was 16k negotiable and she would take trade on my SP. It's definitely a contender, but I would likely be wishing for a B in years to come.


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Re: 2001 Steinway B Ebony Satin [Re: neciebugs] #2482899
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If the piano passes your own eye, ear, nose and finger tests-be sure to find an independent technician top verified everything is good. I know Mark Adams, RPT in the San Diego area and he is superb. 858-583-3333.

One thing that some Steinway grands have that is nearly fatal to treble tone is if the factory hardens the V-bar. The V-bar is the string termination under the capo-d'astro bar in the top two sections of strings. Your technician can test for it by removing the action and using a small file to cut a very small amount on the sides of the V-bar under the plate strut. If your ear hears the sound of two files rubbing against each other-the bar is hard.

Hard V-bars cause noisy, false treble tone and fatigue the strings rapidly.

$58K for a private sale of a nearly new B is high. For a perfectly prepared one from a reputable dealer that include warranty, delivery and service, that is the going rate.


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Originally Posted by Ed McMorrow, RPT

$58K for a private sale of a nearly new B is high. For a perfectly prepared one from a reputable dealer that include warranty, delivery and service, that is the going rate.


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Steinway Bs can be very nice pianos indeed but they have stiff competition in the price range you mentioned. It makes only sense to compare this piano to all other options at same price level. Which includes some high end new brands......
We once had one of similar vintage but couldn't sell it. Returned piano to owner after one year who sold it for considerable less.
If you feel confident make a deal, but don't do more shopping around later.
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Originally Posted by neciebugs
but their son who plays went away to college and they need money to help pay for his future years of college.


I worry this is gonna be me. I hope not.


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Re: 2001 Steinway B Ebony Satin [Re: Norbert] #2482941
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Originally Posted by Norbert
It makes only sense to compare this piano to all other options at same price level. Which includes some high end new brands......


Excellent advice ...

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Thank you all!

I am definitely keeping my options open. I found a piano restorer in Hollywood... so it will be quite a drive (3+ hours). He has a B. He is going to get me the serial number when he is back at the warehouse. He said it was a church piano. The case is pretty blemished, but he could have it restored for 3-4k. The piano itself seems to be in surprisingly good condition. The soundboard and pin block are intact. The strings are clean... He is asking about 22k for the piano. If I have him refinish the furniture it would be 26k. So I think it is worth the trip to see, play and hear... It may well be beat to heck... but who knows. I asked if there was anything else he might do to it other than refinish. He said not really, other than tuning and possible voicing down when it is delivered. I would think if he were shady he may have come up with other things to be done... I could be wrong.

One thing I know, is it is a GOOD thing I have plenty of time to look and weigh all my options!! hehe

~Denise

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Originally Posted by neciebugs
Thank you all!

I am definitely keeping my options open. I found a piano restorer in Hollywood... so it will be quite a drive (3+ hours). He has a B. He is going to get me the serial number when he is back at the warehouse. He said it was a church piano. The case is pretty blemished, but he could have it restored for 3-4k. The piano itself seems to be in surprisingly good condition. The soundboard and pin block are intact. The strings are clean... He is asking about 22k for the piano. If I have him refinish the furniture it would be 26k. So I think it is worth the trip to see, play and hear... It may well be beat to heck... but who knows. I asked if there was anything else he might do to it other than refinish. He said not really, other than tuning and possible voicing down when it is delivered. I would think if he were shady he may have come up with other things to be done... I could be wrong.

One thing I know, is it is a GOOD thing I have plenty of time to look and weigh all my options!! hehe

~Denise
"Seems to be in surprisingly good condition" according to whom? If just according to the seller this is almost meaningless unless they are a close personal friend.

Before you travel three hours each way have him send you many close up pictures of the inside and outside. Saying parts are "intact" could easily just mean not broken. In addition, the extra he wants to charge for refinishing/repairing the case is very low which could indicate not the highest quality work would be done. Get the year the piano was built which is at least as important than the serial number. And find out if any prior work has been done on it.

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Originally Posted by Mark Polishook
Originally Posted by Norbert
It makes only sense to compare this piano to all other options at same price level. Which includes some high end new brands......


Excellent advice ...
Only reasonable advice if one has decided exactly how much one will spend and will not under any circumstances go higher or lower by any significant amount. For many people this is not the case, and people often(as in 1000s of posts about this at PW)end up asking themselves if piano X at price Y worth the extra compared to piano Z at some price less than Y. Or vice versa.

A person could easily end up comparing one piano at 60K to another one at 40K and decide for them the higher priced piano is worth it.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by neciebugs
Thank you all!

I am definitely keeping my options open. I found a piano restorer in Hollywood... so it will be quite a drive (3+ hours). He has a B. He is going to get me the serial number when he is back at the warehouse. He said it was a church piano. The case is pretty blemished, but he could have it restored for 3-4k. The piano itself seems to be in surprisingly good condition. The soundboard and pin block are intact. The strings are clean... He is asking about 22k for the piano. If I have him refinish the furniture it would be 26k. So I think it is worth the trip to see, play and hear... It may well be beat to heck... but who knows. I asked if there was anything else he might do to it other than refinish. He said not really, other than tuning and possible voicing down when it is delivered. I would think if he were shady he may have come up with other things to be done... I could be wrong.

One thing I know, is it is a GOOD thing I have plenty of time to look and weigh all my options!! hehe

~Denise
Before you travel three hours each way have him send you many pictures of the inside and outside. Saying parts are "intact" could easily just mean not broken. In addition, the extra he wants to charge for refinishing/repairing the case is very low which could indicate not the highest quality work.Get the year the piano was built which at least as important than the serial number.


Indeed! I have already asked for some pictures. He did say he would pass on the "commercial discount" for refinishing, so that may explain the lower cost for refinishing. He said 4-6k. but on subsequent emails he said 4k. He also knows I am in no hurry to buy.

I have set my budget at 30k plus trade in on my piano, which depending on where and what piano should fetch 5-9k (already offered 9k if i got a NEW Steinway... which unfortunately the only one I could afford that would be a bit over budget is an O).

If it were a used B that is in amazing condition, I would figure out how to get up to 50k. Give or take. a few thousand. So the original post on this thread, I might consider the lady's B if she is negotiable on price.

Argh... lol I just want it all right! ;-)


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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by Mark Polishook
Originally Posted by Norbert
It makes only sense to compare this piano to all other options at same price level. Which includes some high end new brands......


Excellent advice ...
Only reasonable advice if one has decided exactly how much one will spend and will not under any circumstances go higher or lower by any significant amount. For many people this is not the case, and people often(as in 1000s of posts about this at PW)end up asking themselves if piano X at price Y worth the extra compared to piano Z at some price less than Y. Or vice versa.

A person could easily end up comparing one piano at 60K to another one at 40K and decide for them the higher priced piano is worth it.
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by Mark Polishook
Originally Posted by Norbert
It makes only sense to compare this piano to all other options at same price level. Which includes some high end new brands......


Excellent advice ...
Only reasonable advice if one has decided exactly how much one will spend and will not under any circumstances go higher or lower by any significant amount. For many people this is not the case, and people often(as in 1000s of posts about this at PW)end up asking themselves if piano X at price Y worth the extra compared to piano Z at some price less than Y. Or vice versa.

A person could easily end up comparing one piano at 60K to another one at 40K and decide for them the higher priced piano is worth it.
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by Mark Polishook
Originally Posted by Norbert
It makes only sense to compare this piano to all other options at same price level. Which includes some high end new brands......


Excellent advice ...
Only reasonable advice if one has decided exactly how much one will spend and will not under any circumstances go higher or lower by any significant amount. For many people this is not the case, and people often(as in 1000s of posts about this at PW)end up asking themselves if piano X at price Y worth the extra compared to piano Z at some price less than Y. Or vice versa.

A person could easily end up comparing one piano at 60K to another one at 40K and decide for them the higher priced piano is worth it.
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by Mark Polishook
Originally Posted by Norbert
It makes only sense to compare this piano to all other options at same price level. Which includes some high end new brands......


Excellent advice ...
Only reasonable advice if one has decided exactly how much one will spend and will not under any circumstances go higher or lower by any significant amount. For many people this is not the case, and people often(as in 1000s of posts about this at PW)end up asking themselves if piano X at price Y worth the extra compared to piano Z at some price less than Y. Or vice versa.

A person could easily end up comparing one piano at 60K to another one at 40K and decide for them the higher priced piano is worth it.
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by Mark Polishook
Originally Posted by Norbert
It makes only sense to compare this piano to all other options at same price level. Which includes some high end new brands......


Excellent advice ...
Only reasonable advice if one has decided exactly how much one will spend and will not under any circumstances go higher or lower by any significant amount. For many people this is not the case, and people often(as in 1000s of posts about this at PW)end up asking themselves if piano X at price Y worth the extra compared to piano Z at some price less than Y. Or vice versa.

A person could easily end up comparing one piano at 60K to another one at 40K and decide for them the higher priced piano is worth it.



I don't know about all that hypothetical explanation appended to my comment which was appended in turn to Norbert's excellent advice. Trying more pianos rather than less IS good practice. However, the OP and her tech can decide together whether or not that's applicable or desirable for her circumstance.

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Did you ever get the chance to visit Livingpianos?

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I was wondering also if visiting Livingpianos was still being planned. Checking out the Baldwin SF10 might be worth the trip. The best Baldwin I've ever played was the SF10. I see he also has a Mason Hamlin AA for sale as well.

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Originally Posted by Rich D.
I was wondering also if visiting Livingpianos was still being planned. Checking out the Baldwin SF10 might be worth the trip. The best Baldwin I've ever played was the SF10. I see he also has a Mason Hamlin AA for sale as well.

Rich


Rich,

We are going Tuesday! :-) I am working with Shon, and he knows that this both pianos are at the top of the list! :-)

Thanks!!


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Originally Posted by Mark Polishook
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Only reasonable advice if one has decided exactly how much one will spend and will not under any circumstances go higher or lower by any significant amount. For many people this is not the case, and people often(as in 1000s of posts about this at PW)end up asking themselves if piano X at price Y worth the extra compared to piano Z at some price less than Y. Or vice versa.

A person could easily end up comparing one piano at 60K to another one at 40K and decide for them the higher priced piano is worth it.
I don't know about all that hypothetical explanation appended to my comment which was appended in turn to Norbert's excellent advice. Trying more pianos rather than less IS good practice. However, the OP and her tech can decide together whether or not that's applicable or desirable for her circumstance.
My point was Norbert's advice was not correct IMO. It does make sense to compare pianos in different price ranges for the reason I gave and this is, in fact, often done by customers.

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Originally Posted by Rich D.
I was wondering also if visiting Livingpianos was still being planned. Checking out the Baldwin SF10 might be worth the trip. The best Baldwin I've ever played was the SF10. I see he also has a Mason Hamlin AA for sale as well.

Rich


Did you play that SF-10...I almost bought it without trying it.

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