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....but has anyone tried the iPad Pro for displaying sheet music yet? Specifically using ForScore?
I'm interested in hearing any impressions of it - and whether it supports Bluetooth foot pedals for page-turning just like previous iPads.
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My guess would be that we will see a bunch of developers adjusting their graphics to scale for the big screen at full resolution. Has ForScore updates for iPad Pro yet? iPad Pro Thread at Forums.musicplayer
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I'm quite certain that it will support bluetooth pedals (and external keyboards). I'd give it a try at an apple store.
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The iPad Pro (it should be called "Grande" :-) is really big. The screen alone is as big as two normal iPad next to each other.
I got mine on Friday and while the screen (= without bezel) is not as big as a A4 sheet of paper, it is is bigger than the part of the paper usually written upon. As in: there are always borders on a sheet of paper that are empty and so what would be written on a sheet of A4 paper will always fit full size.
My A4 sheet notes (e.g. Czerny) always have six rows of treble & clef ("piano great staff"). I think on letter size paper, there is usually just five?
You can fit a six treble & clef on the iPad pro screen full size.
When I start Kawai Touch Notation, by default it starts with five rows t&c and the "virtual" sheet that is displayed is actually smaller than the screen.
I conclude: the iPad pro is actually made for musicians :-) I can't wait for my Apple Pencil to arrive to see how writing notes will be with it. Writing notes with your finger is really just ok. With the Pencil (tried it in the Apple Store), which is super-precise, it will be so much fun.
All Bluetooth related functionality is the same as in normal iPad, but I did not try with a page-turner pedal (I have none, I am happy if I make it through half a sheet :-).
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iPad Pro is certainly great but my regular iPad is less than a year old, so upgrade will be later. Recently, I've put an iMac on the music stand (folded down,) now that's a big screen :-) ... may be a dual monitor setup with a Mac mini will be the next thing to try!
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The iPad Pro (it should be called "Grande" :-) is really big. The screen alone is as big as two normal iPad next to each other.
I got mine on Friday and while the screen (= without bezel) is not as big as a A4 sheet of paper, it is is bigger than the part of the paper usually written upon. As in: there are always borders on a sheet of paper that are empty and so what would be written on a sheet of A4 paper will always fit full size.
My A4 sheet notes (e.g. Czerny) always have six rows of treble & clef ("piano great staff"). I think on letter size paper, there is usually just five?
You can fit a six treble & clef on the iPad pro screen full size.
When I start Kawai Touch Notation, by default it starts with five rows t&c and the "virtual" sheet that is displayed is actually smaller than the screen.
I conclude: the iPad pro is actually made for musicians :-) I can't wait for my Apple Pencil to arrive to see how writing notes will be with it. Writing notes with your finger is really just ok. With the Pencil (tried it in the Apple Store), which is super-precise, it will be so much fun.
All Bluetooth related functionality is the same as in normal iPad, but I did not try with a page-turner pedal (I have none, I am happy if I make it through half a sheet :-). Thanks for relating your hands-on experience, Hendrik. And thanks to everyone else for your feedback, as well. I do plan to go to an Apple store to try the iPad Pro up-close. I'm not sure whether they would allow me to try my Bluetooth pedal (PageFlip Cicada) with it, though - Besides they'd need to load an app that supports it. I also wonder if they would consider a trade-in of an iPad 4 (that I bought refurbished from Apple)?
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The base model iPad 4th gen (16gb Wi-Fi) is getting $110-130 on gazelle.com If you have a better model, go check what it's worth on the used market.
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The base model iPad 4th gen (16gb Wi-Fi) is getting $110-130 on gazelle.com If you have a better model, go check what it's worth on the used market. Thanks, that's exactly the one I have.
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Hendrik, Just a few more questions about the iPad Pro, if you don't mind....
1. Can you confirm that it has the same headphone jack and Lightning port as previous iPads?
2. I recall reading somewhere that the wall plug that comes with the iPad Pro (for re-charging) has more watts/amps (I'm no electrician but it's one of them) than the the wall plugs for previous iPads. If that's true, can it still be used to re-charge, say, an iPad Mini without frying it?
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Hi newbert, you can have a look at my post on the other thread, with pictures. As you can read there, the lightning connector is even better (USB 3.0 capable). Also the cable is twice as long. Instead, the wall plug is exactly the same (12W) so charging the ipad pro takes longer, because of the bigger battery.
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There is no doubt the ipad pro will be a significant improvement for music reading given the larger screen and resolution, especially for users like me not on retina display. And why doubt the cicada page turner will work? It is a simple bluetooth pairing and does not require and additional app.
Now that the connector is USB compatible my biggest hope is that Pianoteq releases a version that can be run on it.
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That's all very interesting and you must have purchased your iPad pro double quick! One question I have is with ForScore if you wanted to show 2 pages will you be able to do this if you have the iPad Pro in Landscape view. I was thinking that if you had a jazz score with chords and top line only then this size might be big enough and if two pages could be shown that would be great as there would be fewer or no page turns.
Sure is pricey though. I have an iPad 2 which is pretty old now. Unsure whether to go for a Surface Pro 4 or iPad Pro. The Surface is more powerful and a full operating system & looks v imporessive but Apple has so many convenient apps.
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1. Can you confirm that it has the same headphone jack and Lightning port as previous iPads?
2. I recall reading somewhere that the wall plug that comes with the iPad Pro (for re-charging) has more watts/amps (I'm no electrician but it's one of them) than the the wall plugs for previous iPads. If that's true, can it still be used to re-charge, say, an iPad Mini without frying it?
1. Yes, same. 2. iPad has always comes with a more-watt charger than iPhone/iPod. Not sure about the iPad mini. The iPad Pro comes with a 12W charger, iPad Air for example with 10W. In any case, you can charge any Apple device with any Apple charger without risk of frying because the device limits the power/current to its battery, not the charger. In landscape mode, the size is two "normal" iPad in upright mode. You need to decide for yourself if that makes the notes large enough to read for you.
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2. iPad has always comes with a more-watt charger than iPhone/iPod. Not sure about the iPad mini. The iPad Pro comes with a 12W charger, iPad Air for example with 10W. In any case, you can charge any Apple device with any Apple charger without risk of frying because the device limits the power/current to its battery, not the charger.
In landscape mode, the size is two "normal" iPad in upright mode. You need to decide for yourself if that makes the notes large enough to read for you.
I found a useful page about chargers https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202105Having said that, strangely, my ipad air came with a 12w charger, so I have 2 now (well, 3 with the 10w one of the ipad mini 2) As for the size, the landscape mode is as "tall" as a vertical ipad air, but less wide, so it won't fit two 9.7 inch pages exactly.
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Got the Apple Pencil today. As expected, using it to write notes in Kawai's "Touch Notation" app is brilliant. Super precise and the app does not even have any specific Pencil support yet.
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Got the Apple Pencil today. As expected, using it to write notes in Kawai's "Touch Notation" app is brilliant. Super precise and the app does not even have any specific Pencil support yet. Well, that's REALLY interesting. If the app doesn't specifically support the pen, does it save your notations, so that they are visible the next time you start the "Touch Notation" app? I ask because I'm wondering whether this would also work in ForScore. Thanks.
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Download the free version of "Touch Notation", you will see that the way you use it is, that you make certain marks on a page with staff lines to get the desired note or symbol.
So, for example, you just make a short, upwards, 45 degree line on a staff line (or between) to get a quarter note. When you do this with your finger, you learn to anticipate if the app will take the top, middle or bottom of your finger touching the glass as a starting point for the little line. The starting and end point of the line define, where the quarter note is placed.
Now with the Pencil, as it is not (yet) explicitly supported by the app, the tip of the Pencil is basically a very pointy finger to the app. So it is very easy to make the start and the endpoint of the line on the staff. Also, because you are using a pointy Pencil, noting gets obscured by your finger.
Everything else works as always. So of course all notes I write with the Pencil are saved and everything. So I see no reason for it not to work with ForScore. Can't test because they do not have a light/free version.
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Download the free version of "Touch Notation", you will see that the way you use it is, that you make certain marks on a page with staff lines to get the desired note or symbol.
So, for example, you just make a short, upwards, 45 degree line on a staff line (or between) to get a quarter note. When you do this with your finger, you learn to anticipate if the app will take the top, middle or bottom of your finger touching the glass as a starting point for the little line. The starting and end point of the line define, where the quarter note is placed.
Now with the Pencil, as it is not (yet) explicitly supported by the app, the tip of the Pencil is basically a very pointy finger to the app. So it is very easy to make the start and the endpoint of the line on the staff. Also, because you are using a pointy Pencil, noting gets obscured by your finger.
Everything else works as always. So of course all notes I write with the Pencil are saved and everything. So I see no reason for it not to work with ForScore. Can't test because they do not have a light/free version. From what you seem to be saying (and what I heard from ForScore), it sounds like the pencil capabilities reside in iOS and not necessarily in individual apps. If so, that's great. Per ForScore, the pencil already works for notation in their app, without any special updates to the app. That said, they DO plan to include specific pencil capabilities in their next update. Now all I need to do is find a store that has one in stock!
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From my understanding, the iOS gives the information "the user touched there <coordinates>" to the app. This does not change with the Pencil, just that iOS is giving the app exactly the coordinates where the pointy tip touches the glass. And because you can see the tip of the pencil better than the tip of your finger, the whole experience/action becomes more precise.
The Pencil also provides pressure, angle and what not, but this is only used, if the app supports it.
BTW the Pencil only works with the iPad Pro, not with the iPad Air I also tried it with. Not at all.
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