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Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness] #2476998
11/03/15 09:00 PM
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Another update to this 3-year-old thread. Despite my post from 3 weeks ago, I've had a change of heart and decided to go ahead and pick up an MP-7. There's apparently no way to see ANY of these contraptions up-close in this corner of the US, so the only way to move forward is to take a chance. With a $700 price difference vs the RD-800, not to mention 2" shorter length and some excellent demos on the Kawai site, I'll just have to overlook the highly appealing Roland screen and overall more inviting UI.

As to touch, sound, overall quality feel, and other essential details that should actually be the major driving factors? I guess I have to take a chance and find out. It would be days of difficult travel to get to a place to try them, apparently... even a dealer of both north of Seattle doesn't actually have any.

Besides, today is 4X eBay bucks... and I have GAS!

I'll post photos of the boat installation as it occurs... details are not yet solid, but basically it will be deployed on a pair of arms that swing down from the starboard salon wall, placing it (already cabled) at an optimum playing position when my motorized desk is at the lowest position. A little sloping rack cabinet will have the mixer and related items, and looks like a pair of KRK Rokit 6 monitors should be adequate in the small studio space (no sub unless absolutely necessary).

Cheers!
Steve

Last edited by Nomadness; 11/03/15 09:12 PM.

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Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness] #2477028
11/03/15 11:04 PM
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Congrats Steve!

I shall look forward to seeing your new board 'on-board'. wink

Cheers,
James
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Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness] #2477057
11/04/15 01:47 AM
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The only problem now will be salt-water corrosion . . .

Keep the boat interior dry, eh?


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Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness] #2477062
11/04/15 02:34 AM
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Charles... indeed. Water corrodes; salt water corrodes absolutely!

There's active humidity management aboard and I'm very fond of conformal coatings and other tricks when building systems, but the first line of defense is to keep the whole region warm and non-condensing... since even a speck of salt is a hygroscopic little bugger that never rests. The MP7 will be stowed in a nest when not in use, thermally isolated from the cabin windows that are nearby. Of course, if I head out on a crossing, one of the items on the pre-flight checklist will be to package it properly and tuck it away (along with the instruments in the electronics lab and a few other bits of gizmology). If we take green water aboard, all bets are off. (Oh, James - that would be OK under warranty, right? <grin>)

I should mention some of the other rationale for this choice, since so many folks here enjoy the X-vs-Y discussions. Huge pluses for the MP7 are comments in this forum over the past year and Kawai's active presence, and I've studied the demos and specs with GAS-induced obsession. I feel confident that this is a good choice, and hope to follow up with enthusiastic postings over the next few weeks. It's always unnerving to buy something sight-unseen (and especially touch-unfelt, where keyboards are concerned), but y'all have provided lots of input from a wide range of perspectives and experience levels... so I'm game.

I might have to start a new thread at some point though. You know what they say: Sailboat -> Trawler -> Motorhome -> Rest Home. I'm going over to the Dark Side, not without a few pangs. There is SO much more room for geek toys... including lab, machine shop, CNC router, music studio, massage chair, ham radio, telemetry, ROV, and a crane-deployed pedal/solar/sail micro-trimaran. This is probably my last hurrah with epic technomadic projects, so I might as well make it a fun one. The piano is a huge presence in the mix.

Cheers,
Steve


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Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness] #2477183
11/04/15 12:20 PM
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Bon voyage!

We sold our Morgan 36 Out Island -- "Right Galah" -- about a year ago. It's tough when your knees don't work. I think we'll skip the trawler phase, and go straight to motorhome, or rest home.

I'm looking at a Korg Wavedrum this afternoon -- a percussion studio in a very small package. Eminently suitable for a boat.


. Charles
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Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness] #2477388
11/05/15 03:29 AM
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What a cool thing! Just watched the Korg video... love it.

Congrats on the sale... though that old saw about "the two best days in a boat owner's life" is way over-simplified. It took me over a year just to decide to sell Nomadness, and then more than another year to actually do it... including some major yard time. For me it was the back; I started joking about epoxying my dock lines, then realized it wasn't funny.

In piano news, while waiting for the MP7 to wing its way across the US, I'm lining up related goodies... pair of KRK Rokit 6 monitors, rackmount mixer and eq, power conditioning, and other blinky bits that go in the boat's media lab. Packing density is already getting scary.

Fair winds,
Steve

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Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness] #2478009
11/06/15 06:19 PM
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Hi... choose a digital piano is something very personal and subjective, in my case i chose Kawai MP7. Best digital piano under $2500 range period.

Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness] #2478036
11/06/15 08:57 PM
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This is the best thread title/post I've ever seen on a music forum.

And your website is fabulous.

If you ever sail into port in Boston, please drop me a line.
Dinner and drinks on me in exchange for tales of the Technomadic life. wink

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Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness] #2478064
11/07/15 12:19 AM
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Thank you for the kind words, Dave! I look forward to it... the Great Loop is very much on my bucket list, and although that initial delivery is a bit of a daunting project, I'd love to spend a couple of years plying/playing the coastal and inland waterways. I'd definitely make time to head up to New England, whether to do the long version of the loop or just visit friends in your neighborhood and Down East.

I've been working on the studio suite... it's still a squeeze, but there's more room than there was on the sailboat. The substrate is an electric drafting table that nicely covers the range from seated to standing. It will have a 12U rack cabinet for audio geekery (Middle Atlantic CFR cabinet, about as svelte as possible), an iMac on a swing arm that can let me work from the adjacent massage chair, and some video tools. The monitors will be just outboard of the table in a proper triangle, and I'll just have to hope they'll be OK for general music use when I'm not in the hot seat.

Anyway, I'll do a blog post on the microship site with photos as soon as it's getting real... this will be a fun project.

And to Fer, just above - thanks for the reinforcement on the MP7!

Cheers,
Steve

Last edited by Nomadness; 11/07/15 12:20 AM.

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Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: StefaanBelgium] #2478112
11/07/15 08:28 AM
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In my speed read scanning mode I misread the title of this thread.
I am a sail boarder, so my reflex read "Sailboard piano", which didn't seem to make much sense, so I opened it. laugh
There is definitely not enough space on my sailboard, and playing HT would be tough, even when hooked in.


Not just "humidity".

Think "SALT LADEN HIGH HUMIDITY ENVIRONMENT".
It is part of environmental testing setups for a LOT of equipment, but not typically for "musical electronics".
The components on the circuit boards will be OK, the circuit boards themselves probably not, plugs/sockets, etc, e.g. CONNECTORS even worse.

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Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness] #2478252
11/07/15 02:33 PM
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Yes... we call salt water Aqua Regia sometimes... corrosive humidity is death to electronics. Packaging is a huge part of all this (been doing it for 20 years or more, with lessons from oceanography and industrial control environments). Staying well ahead of it is essential, and sadly, things called "marine electronics" are not necessarily immune once the spray flies in earnest.

Fortunately, we have a few things going for us in this project. First, despite the title of this thread, it's not a sailboat anymore. Second, I've been dealing with on-board electronics long enough to know how to protect it (mostly), and you are exactly right.... connectors are particularly vulnerable, partly because their asperities reduce the actual contact area, and partly because they inevitably represent nearby differing voltages. Add some electrolyte and the fuzzy conductive hydrophilic crud starts to grow... and like rust, it never sleeps.

In some cases, I've done a fair bit of repackaging; in others, simple isolation. One of my projects (a video turret) ran about a half PSI above ambient, pressurized by dessicated air... but it was designed to be outside and wet so was an extreme case. Sometimes vapor-phase corrosion inhibitors are enough to protect for the life of the instrument; other times a carefully applied conformal coating spray helps. All involve trade-offs of thermal barriers, backfiring with connector reliability, and complexity.

In the use case of the piano, I'm treating it as I do laptops and oscilloscopes... trot it out when needed in benign conditions; put it away otherwise. That is generally sufficient, assuming proper gold-plated contacts and adherence to current manufacturing standards (about which I can only assume at the moment, since I haven't seen it yet). Not too worried... though if we start taking waves aboard we have larger problems and all bets are off.

Finally, the comparative luxury of "big boat" also means it's easy to keep studio and lab spaces thermally stable and dehumidified... this is a much easier problem than the Microship (which, by the way, will now be crane-deployed from the upper deck). This is going to be a hoot.... here she is after spending the summer in the water a couple of years ago (without proper bottom paint!):

http://nomadness.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/haulout-emerging-sm.jpg

(PS - I love sailboarding... absolutely the best way to learn to sail! Nothing teaches the relationship between center of effort and center of lateral resistance more effectively...)

Cheers!
Steve



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Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness] #2478275
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Hi Nomadness, you are welcome my friend...!

Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness] #2478591
11/08/15 09:22 PM
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Even the 'Microship' looks awesome! wink


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