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Essex! no more PR?
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Just came back from a dealer was told that PR will no longer be making pianos for SS under Essex but Kingburg? Apparently, there are 2 upright models are already in production/plan. Anyone hear about this?

From YC --> PR --> KG wondering if the scaling for these pianos from diff manufacturers remain the same or diff.

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Originally Posted by Jay
From YC --> PR --> KG wondering ...

BR --> HW --> KZ wondering too ????


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Originally Posted by Jay
Just came back from a dealer was told that PR will no longer be making pianos for SS under Essex but Kingburg? Apparently, there are 2 upright models are already in production/plan. Anyone hear about this?


This is the first I have heard about this, but it doesn't much matter who makes the Essex or if there is or isn't any scale work done by Steinway on them.

They are pianos that sell with a story, not with a performance. They are not about quality and, IMHO, are quite overpriced in general for what they are. The local S&S dealer here doesn't even tune them on their floor. I suppose they don't need to tune them to sell them.


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Were you told this by a Steinway dealer?


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When they make a change of manufacturer like that, what becomes of the custom tooling at the old factory? Is it an IP thing where S&S owns it and can move it to the new vendor? Does the old vendor store it? Trash it? Use it to keep making the same thing with new decals?



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Originally Posted by Ed McMorrow, RPT
Were you told this by a Steinway dealer?


I guess that would be a good question to start with.

Thanks Ed.


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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini

This is the first I have heard about this, but it doesn't much matter who makes the Essex or if there is or isn't any scale work done by Steinway on them.

They are pianos that sell with a story, not with a performance. They are not about quality and, IMHO, are quite overpriced in general for what they are. The local S&S dealer here doesn't even tune them on their floor. I suppose they don't need to tune them to sell them.


That's quite an unfair assessment, IMHO.

The Essex 44" I have is not a Tier 1 piano, for sure, but it holds a tune very well, has a nice treble and an OK bass. The action is even and is holding its regulation quite nicely, thank you. I spent an hour on it yesterday and had a good time.

It is a modest piano, and Steinway seems to market it as furniture sometimes. Its main issue, I think, is its dynamic range. But, you can't expect too much for $3995.



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The dealer who mentioned this was mistaken. We have no plans to change our current arrangement and relationship.


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Originally Posted by Bob Snyder
The dealer who mentioned this was mistaken. We have no plans to change our current arrangement and relationship.


Straight from the horse's mouth, as we say here in the south. smile

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Originally Posted by Bob Snyder
The dealer who mentioned this was mistaken. We have no plans to change our current arrangement and relationship.


That's good to know. Thanks Bob !!



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The dealer who mentioned this was mistaken. We have no plans to change our current arrangement and relationship.


Straight from the horse's mouth, as we say here in the south. smile

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Bob, you don't look at all like Mr. Ed.

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Rich: my guess it is because of a strong brand standing behind it.

Bob: TQ for the clarification. The dealer got his information from a local Chinese supplier who supplies hardware fittings for piano manufacturers.

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If you don't care to divulge the name of the dealer, can you at least tell us which new pianos this dealer does represent?


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Ed, ops sorry, he is one of reseller for Kayserburg Piano in southern part of Malaysia. He is also an importer of used pianos from Japan. He just started selling new piano because he said that last few months used pianos from Japan were very difficult to get because China is buying them.

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Originally Posted by Plowboy

That's quite an unfair assessment, IMHO.

The Essex 44" I have is not a Tier 1 piano, for sure, but it holds a tune very well, has a nice treble and an OK bass. The action is even and is holding its regulation quite nicely, thank you. I spent an hour on it yesterday and had a good time.

It is a modest piano, and Steinway seems to market it as furniture sometimes. Its main issue, I think, is its dynamic range. But, you can't expect too much for $3995.


Hi Gary,

So sorry if I you felt I was unfair. Let me explain my thinking.

I don't recall when you bought your Essex, but if you bought it within the past year or so you did better than most.

Here in Philly, Essex pianos generally sell at or close to MSRP (I suspect it might be because of the relationship with Steinway). Other budget pianos in the Mid-Atlantic region generally discount a generous amount. That was the reason for my comment.

I hope you see where I am coming from now. As a point of reference a 44" Essex retails for over 6k.


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Rich, I purchased my Essex in July 2010, the SMP for a polished sapele mahogany EUP-111e at that time was $5590. That's almost 30% off if my math is correct. It was purchased at the Steinway Gallery in Beverly Hills. (Wow! 5 years ago)

That year the Kohler and Campbell KC-247 school piano, same model, I believe, as the Knabe WV-118H that you sell, had an SMP of $5550.

While it is just an opinion and a matter of taste, having shopped both pianos I think the Essex is a step above those Samick-made school pianos, as nice as they are. I liked the tone and action on the Essx a bit better. YMMV

Cheers.


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Originally Posted by Plowboy
Rich, I purchased my Essex in July 2010, the SMP for a polished sapele mahogany EUP-111e at that time was $5590. That's almost 30% off if my math is correct. It was purchased at the Steinway Gallery in Beverly Hills. (Wow! 5 years ago)

That year the Kohler and Campbell KC-247 school piano, same model, I believe, as the Knabe WV-118H that you sell, had an SMP of $5550.

While it is just an opinion and a matter of taste, having shopped both pianos I think the Essex is a step above those Samick-made school pianos, as nice as they are. I liked the tone and action on the Essx a bit better. YMMV

Cheers.


You did better than most, Gary. Enjoy!


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sorry to resurrected this old tread, it looks like it is official..

https://www.facebook.com/Kingsburgp...1495/781902148651166/?type=3&theater shocked

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A link to a picture that we don't know what or where it is, is official? Is it a prototype? Is it for a particular market? Is it one model or all models?

This is a worldwide forum with far reaching search engine penetration. It would probably be a good idea to have a few facts sorted out before hitting "submit".


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Sorry about it. I just thought I found this at Yantai Facebook and wanted to share

https://www.facebook.com/Kingsburgpianos/posts/781902301984484

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