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Re: Quest to complete Chopin Etudes - op 10 no 4
ahoffmann #2473366 10/23/15 06:51 PM
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Hi all,
I'm here and I appreciate the many responses. Just hung up with real life stuff and don't get enough chance to reply right now. I definitely will though and thanks for the feedback.

Re: Quest to complete Chopin Etudes - op 10 no 4
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As far as I know nost, if not all, nicknames were given by publishers although I do recall reading somewhere that Chopin himself referred to open 10 no 2 as the "chromatic etude"


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Re: Quest to complete Chopin Etudes - op 10 no 4
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Originally Posted by Hakki
How are we to make any comments on such a poor sound quality recording? Easily because we're not all deaf

Is he playing all the left hand notes? Yes

Is he playing all the right hand notes? Yes

Do all of you hear them all? Yes

On what basis are you posting comments? Deep knowledge and understanding of the music and performance practices that apply to it

Maybe he can put a recording made by a better setup? Why?

Only then it will be possible to give some advice. ?????



I thought you were an OK guy Hakki. Oh well.


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Re: Quest to complete Chopin Etudes - op 10 no 4
Hakki #2473419 10/24/15 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Hakki
Besides, he is not asking for any comments.

Besides, this is not the forum to post recordings.

Besides, there is another forum dedicated for that.

There's really no need to repeat stuff that that I have already said. What is your damage, dude?


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Re: Quest to complete Chopin Etudes - op 10 no 4
ahoffmann #2473429 10/24/15 01:21 AM
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Sorry I meant Rambos étude


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Sorry I meant rainbow étude yes 10-8
Wow that's what you get for posting w a horizontal iPhone where I couldn't see what I was typing for some reason


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Is there really a need to mock folks if they get a name wrong?

A polite correction would be more in line with what we're trying to do to get this thread back on track.



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Re: Quest to complete Chopin Etudes - op 10 no 4
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Originally Posted by casinitaly
Is there really a need to mock folks if they get a name wrong?

A polite correction would be more in line with what we're trying to do to get this thread back on track.


Who are you addressing, exactly?


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Re: Quest to complete Chopin Etudes - op 10 no 4
debussychopin #2473516 10/24/15 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by debussychopin
Sorry I meant rainbow étude yes 10-8
Wow that's what you get for posting w a horizontal iPhone where I couldn't see what I was typing for some reason

The nickname (given by someone other than the composer himself) for Opus 10 no. 8 is "Sunshine" - not "Rainbow." You were correct the first time!! grin

For the record - the other nicknames are....

Op. 10, 12 Études:
No. 1: Étude in C major, Waterfall (composed 1830)
No. 2: Étude in A minor, Chromatic (1830)
No. 3: Étude in E major, Tristesse, or L'adieu (1832)
No. 4: Étude in C-sharp minor, Torrent (1832)
No. 5: Étude in G-flat major, Black Keys (1830)
No. 6: Étude in E-flat minor, Lament (1830)
No. 7: Étude in C major, Toccata (1832)
No. 8: Étude in F major, Sunshine (1829)
No. 9: Étude in F minor (1829)
No. 10: Étude in A-flat major (1829)
No. 11: Étude in E-flat major, Arpeggio (1829)
No. 12: Étude in C minor, Revolutionary (1831)

Op. 25, 12 Études:
No. 1: Étude in A-flat major, Aeolian Harp, or Shepherd Boy (composed 1836)
No. 2: Étude in F minor, The Bees (1836)
No. 3: Étude in F major, The Horseman (1836)
No. 4: Étude in A minor (1832–1834)
No. 5: Étude in E minor, Wrong Note (1832–1834)
No. 6: Étude in G-sharp minor, Thirds (1832–1834)
No. 7: Étude in C-sharp minor, Cello (1836)
No. 8: Étude in D-flat major, Sixths (1832–1834)
No. 9: Étude in G-flat major, Butterfly (1832–1834)
No. 10: Étude in B minor, Octave (1832–1834)
No. 11: Étude in A minor, Winter Wind (1834)
No. 12: Étude in C minor, Ocean (1836)

The composition dates are "approximate." smile

Now back to the Torrent.......




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Re: Quest to complete Chopin Etudes - op 10 no 4
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Ok, crazy night and now I can finally catch a breath.

To all of you who want to join me, if I miss your replies here or something, please PM me over youtube so I can subscribe to your channels. I can't stress enough how much rewarding this quest is. I started just under a year ago and even though it's only 6 so far, I've progressed more in that time than I can remember ever doing before. Sure there are many setbacks and frustrations and it's an insane amount of work but I feel it's worth it.

Now to answer some points:

@SiFi
I originally posted it in the Members Recordings section and there somebody suggested I post it here.

@ debussyChopin

thx. I also make a point of respecting anyone who puts themselves out there, either on stage or on the internet and makes an effort. I think all pianists can relate to that.
To your question about the Revolutionary Etude, it's one of those I uploaded. A common problem that easily creeps up on people is to not play the dotted rhythms as such (you know what I do with the last octaves in the recording above only there it's deliberate). Also in general this etude entices one to ignore the right hand even though it's clearly the dominant voice. Technically it's a little more straightforward - mostly grouping the 16th notes into chords.

I think the other one you asked about was the OP 10 no 8 which is likely to be among the next three I upload. I'm not very knowledgeable on it right now. I'm currently just going through it slowly attempting to make as few mistakes as possible. It takes a lot of subtlety in the wrist.
Lol. "Rambos etude" laugh


@ Hakki

Thanks for the info on my hair smile
You're not the first to mention the sound issues. I'm aware of them. But currently that's what I have and beyond some mic positioning there isn't much more I can get out of my setup. The piano itself has many limitations especially for such technically challenging repertoire (it's over a hundred years old). I also know that it's not abysmal. It's not like it's inaudible. In a perfect world, I'll have a great piano with $10k recording equipment in a professional studio with Neu Schwanstein in the background.
Besides, I want to share the struggle with the setbacks and difficulties - and encourage others.

@ Carey

Thx for that list. Never saw them all written out like that. I know that Chopin didn't think much of names given to his some of his pieces and some of these are even contrary to the style of piece (the ocean etude for example). But for us players it's an easy way to refer to them rather than just a number. The names kind of grow on you.

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@ahoffmann:
I suggested you to put this into Members Recordings in Pianist Corner... This is what I wrote there:
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I think you should put it in Pianists Corner's Members Recording subforum, here you'll get no input


Really it's not so hard to familiarize yourself with structure of forum before posting.

Re: Quest to complete Chopin Etudes - op 10 no 4
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Originally Posted by Carey
No. 9: Étude in F minor (1829)
No. 10: Étude in A-flat major (1829)

Shouldn't we name these two? grin

Originally Posted by Carey
No. 3: Étude in F major, The Horseman (1836)
No. 4: Étude in A minor (1832–1834)

That's funny, I would have thought the title they gave #3 would be more apt in reference to #4.


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Re: Quest to complete Chopin Etudes - op 10 no 4
vevurka #2473588 10/24/15 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by vevurka

@ahoffmann:
I suggested you to put this into Members Recordings in Pianist Corner...

Really it's not so hard to familiarize yourself with structure of forum before posting.


Ah, now I get it. Well I won't post it a 3rd time so I'll just take note for the future.

Originally Posted by vevurka

@ahoffmann:
Really it's not so hard to familiarize yourself with structure of forum before posting.


Honestly it's harder than I expected. What's the difference between the two Member Recordings forums and by what criteria do you decide in which of them to post?

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Originally Posted by vevurka

@ahoffmann:
Really it's not so hard to familiarize yourself with structure of forum before posting.


Honestly it's harder than I expected. What's the difference between the two Member Recordings forums and by what criteria do you decide in which of them to post?

Nobody uses the separate Members Recordings forum anymore because it gets almost no traffic. Everyone uses the Members Recordings subforum within Pianist Corner.


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Originally Posted by phantomFive
You misunderstood....it isn't that you are supposed to dance to the music, none of Chopin's written music was particularly dance-able.

Rather, the music is supposed to dance. A dance between the different parts. A dance between the different notes. Because to Chopin, dance was how he grew up musically.


Yes, yes, yes.


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I think you could do so much more with it musically.

I would agree, and add to think more about the balance between the left and right hand. It should be like a dance.....Chopin is dance music.

I disagree with you that Chopin is dance music. Perhaps some of his music is like the waltzes and mazurkas and others that may have evolved from dance but not the etudes and certainly not this one.

You misunderstood....it isn't that you are supposed to dance to the music, none of Chopin's written music was particularly dance-able.

Rather, the music is supposed to dance. A dance between the different parts. A dance between the different notes. Because to Chopin, dance was how he grew up musically.

I completely disagree. Chopin wrote a lot of dance-able dance music: polonaises, waltzes and mazurkas. Just because most of these aren't danced to nowadays doesn't mean they weren't danced to back then.

There is literally nothing dance-like about the etudes. There's a clear distinction between the music that is meant to be danced to... example the waltzes and the mazurkas and moments where these come as part of a "piano composition" like the third movement of the F minor concerto and the Polonaise-Fantasie.

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ahoffmann #2473605 10/24/15 12:40 PM
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What an inspiring quest. I would love to join you on this.

I don't know if you wanted any feedback, but I feel like the eighth-note chords could receive more attention and more shape- not just the running sixteenths. They are what drives the longer phrases. I'm trying to learn this too right now and I can't hope to play it with your technique though. Thank you for sharing!


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Originally Posted by Incongruous
I think you could do so much more with it musically.

I would agree, and add to think more about the balance between the left and right hand. It should be like a dance.....Chopin is dance music.

I disagree with you that Chopin is dance music. Perhaps some of his music is like the waltzes and mazurkas and others that may have evolved from dance but not the etudes and certainly not this one.

You misunderstood....it isn't that you are supposed to dance to the music, none of Chopin's written music was particularly dance-able.

Rather, the music is supposed to dance. A dance between the different parts. A dance between the different notes. Because to Chopin, dance was how he grew up musically.

I completely disagree. Chopin wrote a lot of dance-able dance music: polonaises, waltzes and mazurkas. Just because most of these aren't danced to nowadays doesn't mean they weren't danced to back then.

There is literally nothing dance-like about the etudes. There's a clear distinction between the music that is meant to be danced to... example the waltzes and the mazurkas and moments where these come as part of a "piano composition" like the third movement of the F minor concerto and the Polonaise-Fantasie.

You didn't finish your sentence.


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Op. 10 no. 5 has also the nickname "La Négresse"


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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Originally Posted by Incongruous
Originally Posted by phantomFive
Originally Posted by debussychopin
Originally Posted by phantomFive
Originally Posted by Incongruous
I think you could do so much more with it musically.

I would agree, and add to think more about the balance between the left and right hand. It should be like a dance.....Chopin is dance music.

I disagree with you that Chopin is dance music. Perhaps some of his music is like the waltzes and mazurkas and others that may have evolved from dance but not the etudes and certainly not this one.

You misunderstood....it isn't that you are supposed to dance to the music, none of Chopin's written music was particularly dance-able.

Rather, the music is supposed to dance. A dance between the different parts. A dance between the different notes. Because to Chopin, dance was how he grew up musically.

I completely disagree. Chopin wrote a lot of dance-able dance music: polonaises, waltzes and mazurkas. Just because most of these aren't danced to nowadays doesn't mean they weren't danced to back then.

There is literally nothing dance-like about the etudes. There's a clear distinction between the music that is meant to be danced to... example the waltzes and the mazurkas and moments where these come as part of a "piano composition" like the third movement of the F minor concerto and the Polonaise-Fantasie.

You didn't finish your sentence.
Didn't I?

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