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Kawai K200 vs. Yamaha P22 #2461963
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We went to another piano store... and I am thinking we are making a decision between Kawai K200 and Yamaha P22, both are new. My daughter likes the both, but the pianos are in the different store, so she tried them separately. What would be some difference between those two?


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Re: Kawai K200 vs. Yamaha P22 [Re: izut] #2461970
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They would be fairly close to each other in quality and performance, in my opinion. The K200 is similar to their "institutional" 45" model, the UST-9, with a different cabinet. The P22 is Yamaha's institutional 45" model. The university where I teach has several P22 and UST-9 pianos in classrooms and practice rooms.

Again, for RCM level 10 repertoire, these aren't ideal choices - you really should get something taller, of equally good or better quality, as a practice instrument. The sort of things I work on with students who play at this level (legato, tone production, elements of style, and refinement of technique at a high level) are harder to achieve on a small vertical piano.


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Re: Kawai K200 vs. Yamaha P22 [Re: izut] #2461971
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Careful dangerous:

Try a Ritmuller to see if you still would like either piano.
A guaranteed 'lithmus test'.

Careful: Your daughter may be thrown off.
But don't keep your hopes too high if planning to do so: "we're sold out".

Besides a dealer ain't allowed here to praise his own wares.
Even if found right over and over again...
So better stick to your above mentioned choices.

P.S. Both very good pianos.
Take your pick.

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Re: Kawai K200 vs. Yamaha P22 [Re: izut] #2461987
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Originally Posted by Norbert
Careful dangerous:

Try a Ritmuller to see if you still would like either piano.
A guaranteed 'lithmus test'.

Careful: Your daughter may be thrown off.
But don't keep your hopes too high if planning to do so: "we're sold out".

Besides a dealer ain't allowed here to praise his own wares.
Even if found right over and over again...
So better stick to your above mentioned choices.

P.S. Both very good pianos.
Take your pick.

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Norbert, are you sure you are okay?

You just contradicted yourself 3 or 4 times in the above statement....

You just blatted out a dealer ad for Ritmuller to try and steer the OP away from the Kawai and Yamaha.

Then you stated that is not allowed on PW.

Then you stated you are sold out at the moment.

I feel like a cop who just pulled over a friend for speeding and am deciding whether or not to write you a ticket.

But since you are sold out of Rits, and there may well be no more coming anytime soon, then no-harm, no-foul, right?

Besides, anyone who likes blues is alright by me. smile

I'll let you off with a warning this time.

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Re: Kawai K200 vs. Yamaha P22 [Re: izut] #2462032
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If your daughter is working on RCM level 10, it's hard to be happy even with a good piano like the yamaha U1 (or the Kawai K300). As terminaldegree already mentioned... this level (and beyond) requires a quality instrument encompassing a wide dynamic range and enough color to experiment with.
In the "italian" musical education system, at this level it's either suggested to have a "top notch" tall upright, being the Yamaha U3 or the kawai K500 the bare minimum.

I was reading your older post, and a couple of years ago your daughter passed level 5 RCM, now she's working on level 10... in my book this mean that she has some skills and I can just imagine she might practice quite a bit.
You need a robust and reliable piano, at this level she might start beating the crap out of the instrument and such instrument also needs to be properly regulated, you don't need an instrument that might need constant work or that might go out of tune too often.



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Re: Kawai K200 vs. Yamaha P22 [Re: izut] #2462054
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The K200, if it's anything like the K-2 will be very stable in regulation and tuning. At least mine was.


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Re: Kawai K200 vs. Yamaha P22 [Re: izut] #2462088
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Besides, anyone who likes blues is alright by me. smile
I'll let you off with a warning this time.


Rick, please don't give me any breaks because of me "playing the Blues"
Please also don't give me any idle warnings - not a too nice gesture if may say.

If you like me banned because I'm speaking the truth, go ahead.

No harm done - everything has come to an end eventually.
[but please make sure with Frank first...]

The difference between some pianos today is simply getting too big for not to at least throw in a challenge here and there.

Incidentally, just today 2 more long standing dealers for Japanese pianos signed up for Ritmuller. Wonder what they will tell their customers in future...

Other good makes should not be intimidated by any of that.
And don't forget that in the end I told OP to go and buy either Yamaha or Kawai.

FYI I find myself 100% vindicated by the market about just about everything I ever said about the brands we carry.

What people eventually purchase is not that much of interest to me anymore.
Those who like to pm me or call - just to get some information - are welcome to continue doing so - no quick sell here!

I'm in semi-retirement now, done well and the pianos I represent are in more demand than ever. When we once used to wait for customers, we now have to often simply wait for pianos. Nice to have a hobby keeping you occupied...

Thanks again: now I can really go and play the Blues!



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Re: Kawai K200 vs. Yamaha P22 [Re: izut] #2462110
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Geez Norbert, give it a rest. You sound more desperate than ever.

Re: Kawai K200 vs. Yamaha P22 [Re: BornInTheUSA] #2462172
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Hey, he told the original poster to (Ritmuller) stick to Yamaha and Kawai and didn't even post the Ritmuller video once. I don't know what gives you the (Ritmuller) idea he has an agenda. wink

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Originally Posted by Norbert
Rick, please don't give me any breaks because of me "playing the Blues"
Please also don't give me any idle warnings - not a too nice gesture if may say.

If you like me banned because I'm speaking the truth, go ahead.

No harm done - everything has come to an end eventually.
[but please make sure with Frank first...]

The difference between some pianos today is simply getting too big for not to at least throw in a challenge here and there.

Incidentally, just today 2 more long standing dealers for Japanese pianos signed up for Ritmuller. Wonder what they will tell their customers in future...

Other good makes should not be intimidated by any of that.
And don't forget that in the end I told OP to go and buy either Yamaha or Kawai.

FYI I find myself 100% vindicated by the market about just about everything I ever said about the brands we carry.

What people eventually purchase is not that much of interest to me anymore.
Those who like to pm me or call - just to get some information - are welcome to continue doing so - no quick sell here!

I'm in semi-retirement now, done well and the pianos I represent are in more demand than ever. When we once used to wait for customers, we now have to often simply wait for pianos. Nice to have a hobby keeping you occupied...

Thanks again: now I can really go and play the Blues!


Well Norbert, I guess you have gaven me a piece of your mind...

No matter, I still consider you a friend.

With that said, you have relentlessly and consistently pushed the limit with your hyping, innuendoes, and subtle ads here about the brands you sell, knowing all along it was not allowed. I think the moderators (myself included) have been extremely lenient with you.

I found this remark particularly troublesome... "If you like me banned because I'm speaking the truth, go ahead".

Another example of your subtle hyping of the brands you represent, which I'm sure you believe is the Gospel according to Norbert.

Since Pearl River/Ritmuller has an official ad here on PW, I'm not going to push the envelope; but I'd suggest that if you are really that disgusted with PW because your hyping and subtle advertising as a dealer gets you a warning, and you are indeed semi-retired (which I have a tendency not to take seriously). I believe I'd move on and not stress yourself out on PW anymore.

Of course, we will always be friends, but that doesn't mean you can break the rules here on PW anytime you take a notion. You have been, and are, a very colorful and interesting character. smile

With that said, I wish you Godspeed and the very best that life has to offer in your semi-retirement; you can always ban yourself here if you choose. smile

Happy blues playing!

Now, back on track... to the OP, I have not played the Kawai K200, but I have an older Kawai K48A, and it is a very fine piano. I have also played a couple of Yamaha P22s, and they are very nice instruments as well. You can try other brands, or made a decision on which one you like the best... that's the one I'd choose. smile

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Re: Kawai K200 vs. Yamaha P22 [Re: izut] #2462192
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Thanks for all your comments.

We did try a few pianos. My daughter likes Essex EUP123E, new @ $7946, Kawai K400 new at $7100 and an used 2006 Yamaha U1 $4995 w/ 1 year warranty from the store. Essex and K400 are both out of my budget. Will the used U1 better choice than a new P22 or K200?


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Originally Posted by izut


Essex EUP123E, new @ $7946,




Good grief


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Originally Posted by izut
Thanks for all your comments.

We did try a few pianos. My daughter likes Essex EUP123E, new @ $7946, Kawai K400 new at $7100 and an used 2006 Yamaha U1 $4995 w/ 1 year warranty from the store. Essex and K400 are both out of my budget. Will the used U1 better choice than a new P22 or K200?



Is the used U1 a better bet than the P22 or K200?. Imho absolutely yes. It's both slightly bigger in a way that makes a real difference, and a notch up the quality scale generally.

In piano terms, 9 years old is almost "nealy new", and so in itself age isn't an issue. An independent tech inspection is a must though, especially since the U1 is often the piano of choice in " high wear " environments like practice rooms.

But if an independent tech gives the U1 the OK, it would almost certainly be my choice of the ones you mentioned (although if you just strongly prefer one of the others for any reason,you should go with your feelings). For what it's worth, I used to have a much older (1975) u1 myself, and I was very happy with it.

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Originally Posted by izut
Will the used U1 better choice than a new P22 or K200?


If it's in good shape and hasn't been used in a teaching studio or practice room, then yes. That price for the Essex is ridiculously high (in the US), unless it's in some unobtainable finish that you really want.


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Originally Posted by izut
Thanks for all your comments.

We did try a few pianos. My daughter likes Essex EUP123E, new @ $7946, Kawai K400 new at $7100 and an used 2006 Yamaha U1 $4995 w/ 1 year warranty from the store. Essex and K400 are both out of my budget. Will the used U1 better choice than a new P22 or K200?



Keep in mind the prices the dealer initially quotes you usually has room for negotiation. Those prices seem like starting asking prices.

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U1 piano is a great choice.


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Originally Posted by Furtwangler
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Essex EUP123E, new @ $7946,




Good grief


...and I thought the special-order price "extended" to me by my dealer was high... Pretty cool piano though if you have the patience to make it work.


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Originally Posted by izut
2006 Yamaha U1 $4995 w/ 1 year warranty from the store.


2006 must be pre-redesign, with shorter strings. Not bad of course but not as special for the size and price as the current model or even a post-redesign 2007.


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Originally Posted by michaelha
Originally Posted by izut
Thanks for all your comments.

We did try a few pianos. My daughter likes Essex EUP123E, new @ $7946, Kawai K400 new at $7100 and an used 2006 Yamaha U1 $4995 w/ 1 year warranty from the store. Essex and K400 are both out of my budget. Will the used U1 better choice than a new P22 or K200?



Keep in mind the prices the dealer initially quotes you usually has room for negotiation. Those prices seem like starting asking prices.


+1 I'm pretty sure a Kawai K300 can fit the budget after negotiation and a K500 will come close to it too... As well an almost new Yamaha U1.
Again, depends on the market... but I wouldn't be surprise if that particular kawai and yamaha can drop another grand or even more to close a deal.



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When we went looking for a practice piano a year ago, we tried both the K200 and P22 new at two different stores. Although both were great instruments, they couldn't have been more different in terms of feel and overall sound.

You need to keep that in mind as part of the overall decision making process.


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