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Re: Special Ideas for ABF Recital #40?
Monica K. #2460508 09/16/15 03:33 PM
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I dug out my sheet music for my first recital piece and gave it a whirl. The first time I played it I got a sinking feeling in my stomach and thought to myself, "This is harder than I remembered! There's no way I can get it worked up again by November!" The 2nd time it went a lot better. By the time I played it the fifth time, I was amazed at how quickly it came back to me, even though I hadn't played it in at least 8 years. Muscle memory is remarkable!


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Re: Special Ideas for ABF Recital #40?
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Whatever we do, it will be voluntary. Not that I can speak for everyone, or would even try to, but I think we can all agree on that much. Doing something special for the 40th (60 versions of "Happy Birthday" ? smile ) is a good goal.

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I have reservations about putting any limitations on the pieces selected and played by our members. While the idea of a "celebration" of ten years of these great recitals is absolutely appropriate, throttling the 40th down in any way seems a bit contrary to what I perceive to be the core goals or benefits of the recital.

I am a pianist of only 5 months, truly a beginner, if ever there was one. It is difficult to put into words the immense power of this recital to inspire new musicians like myself. The life of the newbie is fraught with doubts, discouraging failures, and struggles that sometimes seem insurmountable. Surely, 90% of all my keystrokes are faulty or deficient in one way or another. Wrong pitch, wrong timing, dynamics forgotten (or ignored), mistaking the treble clef for the bass clef when eyes drop to the next line, etc., etc. Every practice serves up more and more evidence to justify those horrible doubts that always linger nearby. However, When I hear all of you play, those doubts scatter, lost behind this wonderful collage of beautiful human achievement that is the ABF recital. And, I am bouyed by the relative inexperience of the contributors, and encouraged that I too, can, and will, improve like all of you have done, and one day contribute in the same way. The thought of one day inspiring other newbies the way you have inspired me is nothing short of exhilarating.

I suspect that each of you, in preparing for recitals past, have put forth your absolute best effort, dug for your deepest inspirations, and have clawed and scrapped with all your might to cross new frontiers in your journey toward the heights of your abilities. I am hard pressed to see how any, and certainly not all of you could muster the same level of zeal, creativity, precision, and passion for the performance if constricted to the task of repairing, or, even improving a piece once attended to, but since put aside for those new pieces that now provoke and push you to exceed your new, current, highest levels of achievement.

I absolutely love witnessing your pursuit of excellence, and would miss it sorely if, in any way, the recital was throttled back from its focus on the pursuit of one's highest performance potential. The pursuit and appreciation of excellence is, in my opinion, the heart and soul of the ABF Recital. For performers and audience, alike.

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Re: Special Ideas for ABF Recital #40?
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Originally Posted by raubucho
I have reservations about putting any limitations on the pieces selected and played by our members. While the idea of a "celebration" of ten years of these great recitals is absolutely appropriate, throttling the 40th down in any way seems a bit contrary to what I perceive to be the core goals or benefits of the recital.


I am not suggesting that we "throttle down". Nor do I propose that we force anyone to do anything. It's all voluntary, like everything we do here.

Sometimes the simpler pieces require the most skill.

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Originally Posted by Sam S
Sometimes the simpler pieces require the most skill.


My teach loves the Clementi sonatinas.

I agreed to work on them.

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Re: Special Ideas for ABF Recital #40?
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I think this is a great idea Sam.
Perhaps someone with time on thier hands can trawl through and create a list of submitters original works, so we can compare them side by side.
Perhaps make it a suggested recemmendation for the recital, rather than madatory, so as not to exclude anyone who doesn't want to revisit 'twinkle twinkle' after 20 years.


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i think a special effort to get 100 submission is great!

About the revisiting old pieces... I suggest to lift this out of the quarterly recital. Why not start a new topic "Recitals Revisited", where anyone who ever submitted a piece in the recitals (at least 1 year ago), can resubmit it if wanted (and as many times he likes).

Piece: La Candeur - Burgmuller, Friedrich
First submitted: Recital 37 February 2015
Link to first submission

New recording: link to soundcloud, youtube, etc,...

In the same topic, people can comment.

Re: Special Ideas for ABF Recital #40?
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Originally Posted by johan d
i think a special effort to get 100 submission is great!

About the revisiting old pieces... I suggest to lift this out of the quarterly recital. Why not start a new topic "Recitals Revisited", where anyone who ever submitted a piece in the recitals (at least 1 year ago), can resubmit it if wanted (and as many times he likes).

Piece: La Candeur - Burgmuller, Friedrich
First submitted: Recital 37 February 2015
Link to first submission

New recording: link to soundcloud, youtube, etc,...

In the same topic, people can comment.


This sounds like a great idea - somebody start it!

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Re: Special Ideas for ABF Recital #40?
Sam S #2460680 09/17/15 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Sam S
This sounds like a great idea - somebody start it! Sam
I would, but I have to wait until February next year. If anyone want to submit a revisited piece, feel free to start the new topic: "Recitals Revisited".

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I would be fine with repeating, though I understand why some are not. Mine would be Mozart Sonata in C, second movement, which I submitted in Feb 2011. I do dust that off from time to time but I wonder if I could play it better without putting in a lot of work that I'd rather do with a new piece.


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Originally Posted by johan d
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This sounds like a great idea - somebody start it! Sam
I would, but I have to wait until February next year. If anyone want to submit a revisited piece, feel free to start the new topic: "Recitals Revisited".


Actually Johan DID already start this thread.
I've been meaning to post to it, but I've been so blah about piano the past few months I haven't had the energy.

I'm seriously thinking of redoing a couple .... I just the my get up to go to get up and on over!


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Originally Posted by casinitaly
Actually Johan DID already start this thread.
Oops!

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Originally Posted by Medden
I think this is a great idea Sam.
Perhaps someone with time on thier hands can trawl through and create a list of submitters original works, so we can compare them side by side.




Actually, Sam already did this. His marvelous "ABF Recital Index" posts recordings by composer, performer, AND by recital. Here's the page for Recital #1:

Recital 1 Index Page

Re: Special Ideas for ABF Recital #40?
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Played through my first recital piece this morning. A nice trip down memory lane. Listened to the old recording. Very embarrassing the way that I plodded along and really whacked the keys. It was a very different piano too (old Wurlitzer upright) and it was badly out of tune. Surely I can do better now!

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I'd have to look at the ABF records to find my first piece. I don't keep a record of my own. The big problem is that I'm not able to practice much yet because of my shoulder rehab. This is a great idea. I'm just not sure I will be participating at all in the November recital. Still a bit too soon for me.

As for Clementi. My teacher had me start on these Sonatinas before my surgery when my left arm was limited. So much in such a little package!!! I'm sure I will go back to them as a restart serious practicing.


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I memorized in the early days. I have been reading the music lately.

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Originally Posted by Mike White
I memorized in the early days. I have been reading the music lately.

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I memorized in the early days as well Mike but now I read the music or at least for a lot longer until memorized. What a difference this has made.


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I memorized in the early days. I have been reading the music lately.

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I memorized in the early days as well Mike but now I read the music or at least for a lot longer until memorized. What a difference this has made.


What sort of difference has it made? Could you expand on that? Thanks!


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Originally Posted by Mike White
I memorized in the early days. I have been reading the music lately.

Mike White


I memorized in the early days as well Mike but now I read the music or at least for a lot longer until memorized. What a difference this has made.


What sort of difference has it made? Could you expand on that? Thanks!


My first instinct had always been to memorize pieces and no one told me otherwise, despite having two (not at the same time) teachers. I saw other people playing with a score (and some cannot play without it) and wondered what the benefits would be if I did that. After trying it for a while now my conclusion is it is just more efficient and I am sure there are many reasons but here is a few:

1. Constantly referring to the music I am reminded each time I play of all the written details. Previously I might make mistakes during or even after the memorization process, it could be something as simple as turning a staccato note into a legato note or even missing out a note completely. Doing any sort of repair after a long time on a piece is very difficult and now reading the score I am finding I can pick up mistakes and correct them before they become problems. There is also a constant reminder as I read the score that there are dynamic marking that I should be implementing. With my previous method of just memorizing section by section I could easily delude myself I just needed to get the notes right before starting on the dynamics which when I was ready to put the dynamics in only added another layer of complexity.

2. I will now spend more time with the music playing slower, reading each note or group of notes and feeling for the keys rather than looking at them as is my habit. I really feel my sense of keyboard awareness has come on leaps and bounds since I started reading the score for longer.

3. Somehow reading the score acts as an anchor, I can see whats about to happen and this has stopped having brain fades in the middle of a piece which admittedly were not prevalent and may have only been during a phase of learning. But again I think it is an improvement.

4. I have no evidence and it never comes up in the posts about sight reading but surely if you are reading a score each time you play it that must benefit your sight reading even just a fraction.

5. Reading from the score is a bit of a skill in itself and I think that doing this is helping me jump into a section quicker and more confidently if I want to just work on a segment of the piece.

My experiment with reading from the score is something I am going to continue with, even although I still eventually memorize the piece, I think it has been really beneficial to the way I learn pieces now.


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. I have no evidence and it never comes up in the posts about sight reading but surely if you are reading a score each time you play it that must benefit your sight reading even just a fraction.


Makes perfect sense. Reading is reading, and the key to better reading (at first sight or otherwise) is more reading.

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