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Kawai GM-10 Any one have opinions? #182813
12/02/05 11:11 PM
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Today I was in a piano store looking at a Kawai K50 upright and I was distracted by a Kawai GM-10 baby grand. I liked the touch very much and the sound was quite agreeable to me also. A bit of voicing to soften the mid range and clean up the treble a bit (not much) and it would be very much to my liking. The dealer offered what seems to be a good price for it but I am worried about it because it is made in Indonesia.

Has anyone any experienc with the GM 10? Does it hold it's tune and keep its action over the years?

Also I would appreciate any information about the quality of Kawai Indonesian pianos. I was not aware that they started making grand pianos in Indonesia.

Thanks

CD


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Re: Kawai GM-10 Any one have opinions? #182814
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CD,

I was seriously considering a GM-10 in my piano search. In the end, I opted to stretch into an RX-2. However, I learned quite abit about the GM-10.

There are two versions of the GM-10. They are the GM-10K and the GM-10LE. The pianos are structurally identical. However, the GM-10K is assembled in Indonesia and the GM-10LE is assembled in Japan.

Some folks I spoke too felt the GM-10LE's sounded a bit better from the factory and may receive better attention at the factory. I never determined whether this was sales pitch to opt for the LE or reality. To me, they sounded very similar and any difference could likely be removed with proper setup and regulation.

If the assembly in Indonesia is a concern for you (as it was for me) you may want to look into the GM-10LE.

Hope this helps.

Regards.

Re: Kawai GM-10 Any one have opinions? #182815
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oct19 and I went back and forth over a series of emails on the GM-10. I almost pulled the trigger on a GM-10K until I realized that another dealer had the Japanese built GM-10LE. I've now had the GM-10LE in my home for about a month.

Tonally, this piano is quite good for such a small grand. That being said, it definitely is a SMALL grand and as such there are tonal limitations, especially on the keys to the left of middle C. The piano seems to be holding its tune very well. We're approaching the time of our free tuning and it seems like only a few keys are marginally out of tune. There are a few keys which make a bit of a ringing sound and I'm hoping the technician can correct this.

I really like the action/touch of the piano. In this regard, it is definitely superior to many vertical pianos I've played.

In short, this piano sounds like a decent quality vertical, but has the action and touch of a grand. In my opinion it is also a lot prettier than any vertical I've seen and adds great atmosphere to the room smile

If I had the money and space, I would look at an RX-2. If an entry level grand is suitable for your needs, I think it would be hard to do better than the GM-10.

Finally, I should mention that my understanding is that Kawai is coming out with a GM-12 (built in Japan) to replace the GM-10LE. Only the GM-10K (Indonesian) will continue to be built. You may want to ask the dealer about this.

Re: Kawai GM-10 Any one have opinions? #182816
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Is the GM10LE still being produced? I was told that the GM10K is replacing the GM10LE?

How do I begin to make a decision on a smaller (4-11 to 5-3) grand piano. Currently considering Kawai and Yamaha.

Re: Kawai GM-10 Any one have opinions? #182817
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ett,

The GM-10 LE is no longer being made. It was replaced by the almost identical GM-10 K, which is made in Kawai's factory in Indonesia.

The GM-12 is only just becoming available. It will most likely be a little higher priced than the GM-10LE, as it has the new Millennium-III carbon composite action.

We just prepped the GM-10K to be shown at NAMM next month, and it was a very nice piano with a surprisingly warm sound. The GM-12 will naturally have the benefit of more experienced workers in Japanese production, but the GM-10 actually gets considerably more time in final regulation and tuning - specifically because the factory workers there are still on a learning curve.

The GM-10K construction in Indonesia, by the way, is being managed by one of Kawai's MPA's (our top concert technicians who build the Shigeru Kawai pianos), and he was formerly in charge of Shigeru Kawai making in Japan. Quite a change (and challenge) for him, but he is an exceptionally quality oriented man.


Don Mannino, MPA
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Re: Kawai GM-10 Any one have opinions? #182818
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From a service standpoint, they are very reliable pianos. Honestly, I'm hard-pressed to tell the difference between the LE and the K.

It has, to my ear, the fullest sound of any petite grand that of recent manufacture. It is far more tunable than its competition, that's for sure! But if you can stretch a little and get the RX1, you won't regret it.

If dealer or warranty issues are a concern, I'll add that Kawai is the most responsive company that I do contract work for. They are very interested in good relationships with customers and techs. Warranty situations are dealt with promptly and efficiently.

Buy the one that sings to you from a dealer that you can trust!


Dave Stahl
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Re: Kawai GM-10 Any one have opinions? [Re: Captain D] #2456650
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I know this an old post but I am looking for some information. I looked at a Kawai GM 10K, new, today and was given a price of $7995.00. From what I have been reading, this piano is getting good reviews, but they are old. The sound is beautiful. Plays wonderful from what I have played.

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated as I don't want to make a wrong choice. I have been playing less than a year, currently have an old Steck Baby Grand. I was not looking to replace yet but walked into the store and fell in love.


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Re: Kawai GM-10 Any one have opinions? [Re: Captain D] #2456658
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Price is good.

The GM 10K is pretty basic and doesn't have some of the features of other Kawai grands. The following page in the PianoBuyer will help you with the comparisons.

http://www.pianobuyer.com/spring15/175.html

Certainly would be better than what you are currently playing on - BUT you may eventually outgrow it - or perhaps not.


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Re: Kawai GM-10 Any one have opinions? [Re: Captain D] #2456659
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The Kawai GM-10K is Kawai's "entry level" grand piano made in Kawai's Indonesian factory. Its price seems what you would pay for a new, mid-range Kawai or Yamaha vertical piano.
If you love that particular piano then you should buy it. It should come with a 10 year warranty and at least one free tuning.

Robert.

Re: Kawai GM-10 Any one have opinions? [Re: Captain D] #2456674
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Thank you for your prompt responses. Still contemplating and now planning on going to other piano stores in the area to do more investigation.


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Re: Kawai GM-10 Any one have opinions? [Re: Bsw] #2456678
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Originally Posted by Bsw
Thank you for your prompt responses. Still contemplating and now planning on going to other piano stores in the area to do more investigation.

Take your time - do your research. There's no rush. There are other options. smile


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Re: Kawai GM-10 Any one have opinions? [Re: Captain D] #2456697
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Carey, you are so right. Preliminary research shows 3 places selling same Kawai for the same price, only one listing as sale thru Monday. I spoke to another store and he is recommending Ritmuller over Kawai. I think this may be a long process and I am not in any hurry!


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Re: Kawai GM-10 Any one have opinions? [Re: Captain D] #2456750
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These pages from the PIANOBUYER will be helpful -

http://www.pianobuyer.com/spring15/40.html
http://www.pianobuyer.com/spring15/41.html

but I really encourage you to read as much of the PB as possible.

Also remember that different dealers will promote the brands they sell over others...so take everything you hear with a grain of salt !! ha


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Re: Kawai GM-10 Any one have opinions? [Re: Captain D] #2456783
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Carey, thank you again. It's as clear as mud. Guess my next step is to play the different piano's. I've read some good reviews on the Ritmuller. I'm pretty good at ignoring the sales pitch. I know I'm not getting any piano from shop I was at today. I've found the Kawai at 2 other local places. First salesman was too much like a car salesman!


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Re: Kawai GM-10 Any one have opinions? [Re: Captain D] #2457086
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Decision made today. I visited Dave's Piano Showroom in Tampa. Dave was very nice, not pushy. Sold me a Ritmuller Baby Grand. Already delivered and I spent the evening playing it. Wonderful shop! Beautiful piano!


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Re: Kawai GM-10 Any one have opinions? [Re: Captain D] #2457102
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Congratulations !!!!!!!!! thumb


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Re: Kawai GM-10 Any one have opinions? [Re: Captain D] #2458010
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Bsw:

How did a search for a Kawai eventually end up with a Ritmuller?
Congrats - but would be nice to know!

P.S. which type Ritmuller did you end up getting?
the GH series?

Norbert

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Re: Kawai GM-10 Any one have opinions? [Re: Captain D] #2458018
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Norbert, I have always loved the sound of the kawai. The dealer I eventually went to had both so I was able to play both side by side. I had read up on the Ritmuller as I had never looked at one before. It sang to me when I played it.


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