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#2450826 - 08/15/15 10:09 AM Kawai ES 8  
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A link found on a German forum:
http://www.musikhaus-hogrebe.de/ins...digital-pianos/kawai-es-8-schwarz-detail

Specs sound good. The new samples and sound engine (including the Shigeru Kawai Samples) are on board as well as the RH3 action.

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#2450854 - 08/15/15 11:24 AM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: maurus]  
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Ok, Kawai James.

Cats out of the bag, you have some 'splaining to do.

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"It was improved in substantial points opposite the ES7:

RH3 keyboard (ES7: RH2)
Harmonic Imaging XL sound engine (like CAx7 series, ES7: PHI)
3 "wing" [bad translation] sound: Shigeru Kawai ex, Kawai ex, Shigeru Kawai SK-5 (like CAx7 series)
Improved loudspeaker system
White model with new Snow White colour (ES7: Ivory White)
extended Virtual Technician
… and much more besides!"

How heavy?
How much?

#2450861 - 08/15/15 11:48 AM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: maurus]  
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Fake...


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#2450868 - 08/15/15 11:58 AM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: maurus]  
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Fake... <sigh> And the German language always seem so accurate.

https://www.forsyths.co.uk/pianos/d...nos/115453-kawai-es7-digital-piano-.html

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#2450953 - 08/15/15 06:40 PM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: maurus]  
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Why would it be fake? ES7 is due for an update. The specs seem to be what would be expected for a successor. My ES7 was a work horse with 1000 plus hours on it. Excellent board. Cant wait to try the ES8.


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#2450954 - 08/15/15 07:00 PM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: maurus]  
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The site also says they could deliver in 3-5 days. o'rly?


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#2450957 - 08/15/15 07:22 PM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: maurus]  
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Ok, obviously the cant deliver in 3-5 days... When these new DPs are leaked they seem to be plugged into vendor websites prematurely without much thought. Most likely not intentional by a webmaster that has nothing to do with the industry, but just saw that he needed to update site with some new info. We've seen this kind of thing happen happen before.


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#2450981 - 08/15/15 09:13 PM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: maurus]  
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Fake because the picture is of an ES7 with the number on the left photoshopped to say ES8.

Also on the Forsyth's website it says:

Kawai ES8

Model id-kaw-es7b-X

Still, it is possible that Kawai has given word of a new model to retailers, but hasn't given any specifics or pictures yet, and the retailers are being er, a little over-zealous, and making their own promo materials.


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#2450991 - 08/15/15 09:42 PM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: maurus]  
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Fake or not... Im sure we will get an official announcement from Kawai within next few weeks.

Last edited by Marko in Boston; 08/15/15 09:43 PM.

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#2451138 - 08/16/15 01:25 PM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: ElmerJFudd]  
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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
Ok, Kawai James.

Cats out of the bag, you have some 'splaining to do.

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"It was improved in substantial points opposite the ES7:

RH3 keyboard (ES7: RH2)
Harmonic Imaging XL sound engine (like CAx7 series, ES7: PHI)
3 "wing" [bad translation] sound: Shigeru Kawai ex, Kawai ex, Shigeru Kawai SK-5 (like CAx7 series)
Improved loudspeaker system
White model with new Snow White colour (ES7: Ivory White)
extended Virtual Technician
… and much more besides!"

How heavy?
How much?
wing means Grand Piano, seems to be legid as several independent sellers have the instrument in their new line up..

We need to see what james has to say....


How does RH3 improve on the RH2?

#2451167 - 08/16/15 02:41 PM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: maurus]  
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Let's respect KJ's career and let him speak about it when he is legally allowed to. Im sure he would love to post all about the ES8 right now if he could. Catch you soon enough James!


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#2451306 - 08/17/15 12:46 AM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: maurus]  
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The ES8 was officially announced on the Kawai Japan website today, Monday, 17 Aug 2015. See following link:

http://www.kawai.co.jp/news/20150817/

Use Google or MS Translate to translate from the Japanese. The announcement confirms the info leaked on the German website. The new model will be available in Japan on 12 Sep 2015.


#2451321 - 08/17/15 02:26 AM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: maurus]  
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So, what's new? Using the translate feature I see:

- HI-XL sound engine with more grand piano models featured, such as "SK-EX", nothing about Shigeru mentioned.
- RH3 keyboard.
- configurable from iPad
- Glossy finishes, snow white instead of ivory white

Not sure if the speakers have been improved. So, an evolutionary upgrade rather than revolutionary, as Kawai say smile Doesn't make me want to upgrade from ES7 which is already a very nice piano.

BTW, we have organized our living room around our ES7 where some of the furniture is in ivory white laugh Glossy snow white is kind of kitsch and less classy IMO.


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#2451329 - 08/17/15 03:10 AM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: maurus]  
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SK is an abbreviation for Shigeru Kawai. E.g. SK-EX is the Shigeru Kawai EX concert grand wink


Shigeru Kawai SK-2, etc.
#2451334 - 08/17/15 04:12 AM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: maurus]  
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3 yrs of (engeneering) time wasted... Took an ES-7 put in a new Sample-ROM and RH-III Keyboard and voila: Here is the all *new* ES-8.

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#2451339 - 08/17/15 05:28 AM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: Exo]  
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Originally Posted by Exo
3 yrs of (engeneering) time wasted... Took an ES-7 put in a new Sample-ROM and RH-III Keyboard and voila: Here is the all *new* ES-8.

This how buy affordable slab DPs work: Improvements trickle down from the high-end models. If you expect to pay multiple years exclusive engineering buy a Clavia Nord or V-Piano.

The ES8 specs look impressing, sound like a C67 in a slab. I just hope, Kawai didn't mess with the connectivity options (pedals, MIDI, line, headphones) or invented other show stoppers. Then I will definitely get one next year.

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I haven't tested the RH3 action yet but from its description it seems they have improved on the dynamic force of the action. All plastic actions need an improvement in this aspect since they are just some hollow plastic keys which imitate the static weight of a real piano but fail miserably when it comes to dynamic "weight". I've recently read a paper on modeling a real grand piano action and they ended up with a system of more than seventy (need to see the exact number but it was huge) differential equation. In other words, plastic action won't be able to recreate a real acoustic piano action easily (if ever). That doesn't make a plastic digital action less expressive though. It's just different.

Anyway, ES8 is just an ES7 with all the technology from its seniors coming "free", so the R&D costs are shared. That's basically what economy of scale is (if I am not mistaken and if the term in English is that).

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#2451382 - 08/17/15 08:57 AM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: maurus]  
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It's official announced on European sites as well

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http://m.kawai.co.uk/es8.htm

Available in the UK starting in September. No news on U.S. site yet.
Nice trickle down of internal features.
Disappointed they didn't change the body and shave some weight.

Available in white and black, 22,5kg. Half a KG more than the ES7.
48.5lbs frown


#2451424 - 08/17/15 11:20 AM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: maurus]  
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Of course I did not have an opportunity to see it live, so cannot judge by now, but I'm a little concerned about replacing Ebony White with Snow White. It's also quite a shame we don't have latest Shigeru samples in our MP7/11s.

Cannot wait it will reach some Warsaw shops to play it live.

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Originally Posted by Qaroll
It's also quite a shame we don't have latest Shigeru samples in our MP7/11s.

There must be something left for the MP12 or MP77. wink

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Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by Qaroll
It's also quite a shame we don't have latest Shigeru samples in our MP7/11s.

There must be something left for the MP12 or MP77. wink


You're right. I'm just a little bit irritated, that I bought "the latest greatest" and after just a few months it's no longer the truth and improved sound comes from the same manufacturer.

#2451437 - 08/17/15 11:47 AM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: maurus]  
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No fake: It's official
http://www.kawai.de/es8.htm
The stores were allowed to publish it from today on. It would arrive in the first week of september the dealer said: http://www.mmbs.de/Tasten/Stagepianos/Kawai/Kawai-Digital-Piano-ES-7.html So the announcement available within few days was an inadvertence.

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Sound demos here : http://www.kawai.de/es8.htm
Manual also available: It has "User Voicing", that allows to modify sound (virtual technician) for each key. smile

But still no faders for mixing and adjusting parameters. Need to press the + - key very often to change parameters. frown

I hoped for a model with touchscreen but this is not included.

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The big question for me is - will it fit inside my art deco piano surround?


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#2451581 - 08/17/15 07:27 PM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: maurus]  
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Good morning chaps,

My apologies for the late response. I've been away visiting family in England for the past ten days or so. My return flight was delayed, but I'm back at the office this morning.

The ES8 was officially announced by Kawai Japan yesterday. The multi-language owner's manuals, brochures, and an English language product overview are now available from the Kawai-Global website.

I'll respond to the comments/queries raised so far in a separate post.

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#2451597 - 08/17/15 08:07 PM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: maurus]  
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Originally Posted by lolatu
Fake because the picture is of an ES7 with the number on the left photoshopped to say ES8.


If you compare the lighting used for the ES7 and ES8 photographs you will see that they are actually separate images.

Originally Posted by Bachus
How does RH3 improve on the RH2?


Please refer to this post from the CN35/CN25 announcement - the ES8 utilises the same 'Responsive Hammer III' keyboard action.

Originally Posted by CyberGene
So, what's new? Using the translate feature I see:

- HI-XL sound engine with more grand piano models featured, such as "SK-EX", nothing about Shigeru mentioned.
- RH3 keyboard.
- configurable from iPad
- Glossy finishes, snow white instead of ivory white

...

BTW, we have organized our living room around our ES7 where some of the furniture is in ivory white laugh Glossy snow white is kind of kitsch and less classy IMO.


You are largely correct. The ES8 effectively features the same HI-XL sound engine and SK-EX/SK-5/EX piano sounds as the CA97/CA67. It also adds the K-60 upright piano sound previously only available on the MP11/MP7 and CAx7/CAx5 models, while bringing the rest of the sounds up to the quality of the CA97/CA67.

Regarding the finishes, I believe the glossiness is the same as the ES7, while the new Snow White finish is just as classy as the Ivory White it replaces. wink

Originally Posted by Exo
3 yrs of (engeneering) time wasted... Took an ES-7 put in a new Sample-ROM and RH-III Keyboard and voila: Here is the all *new* ES-8.


Please bear in mind that the ES7 was already the most popular instrument in its class in Europe, despite the presence of newer models from our competitors. We believe the speaker system, panel interface, and design of the ES7 remains very strong, and therefore focussed on improving the instrument's keyboard action and piano sound. The result is the ES8, featuring Kawai's class-leading plastic key keyboard action and flagship piano sound technology.

Originally Posted by JoeT
The ES8 specs look impressing, sound like a C67 in a slab.


Yes, exactly - piano sounds from the CA97/CA67 and the keyboard action from the CN35/CN25.

Originally Posted by JoeT
I just hope, Kawai didn't mess with the connectivity options (pedals, MIDI, line, headphones) or invented other show stoppers.


Connectivity remains the same as the ES7, with more powerful Virtual Technician functions, iPad control, improved Rhythm Section (Bass Inversion detection), and added MP3/WAV overdubbing from the MP11/MP7.

Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
22,5kg. Half a KG more than the ES7.


Correct. I believe this is due to the counterweights added to all 88 keys.

Originally Posted by Qaroll
I'm just a little bit irritated, that I bought "the latest greatest" and after just a few months it's no longer the truth and improved sound comes from the same manufacturer.


The ES8 shares the same HI-XL sound technology as the MP11/MP7. The difference being the new SK-EX and SK-5 sounds, that were introduced in the CA97/CA67 announced at NAMM in January - one year after the MP11 announcement.

Originally Posted by PianoRalf
It has "User Voicing", that allows to modify sound (virtual technician) for each key. smile


Correct. The ES8 features the 88-key voicing, tuning, and volume adjustment Virtual Technician features of the CA97/CA67, along with other new paramaters.

Originally Posted by peterws
The big question for me is - will it fit inside my art deco piano surround?


If the dimensions are similar to your DGX, I'd say it's possible. wink


I hope this post addresses your queries. Please let me know if you have any additional questions.

Cheers,
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#2451617 - 08/17/15 09:01 PM Re: Kawai ES 8 [Re: maurus]  
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Thanks, James. That's it in a nutshell. Looks like a very nice board, sure to keep Kawai on everyone's must try before you buy list.

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Is the speaker system same as in the ES7 or somehow improved? Thanks, H.
Also, the kawai.de site says "Volume and Tune of each key" while you also mention voicing per key - perhaps the info on the site should be updated...?

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Originally Posted by Hookxs
Is the speaker system same as in the ES7 or somehow improved?


The ES8 speaker system is the same as the ES7 speaker system.

Originally Posted by Hookxs
Also, the kawai.de site says "Volume and Tune of each key" while you also mention voicing per key - perhaps the info on the site should be updated...?


Thank you. May I ask which page you are referring to specifically please? I will inform my colleagues at Kawai Europe, who oversee the content of that website.

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