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Yamaha CLP 525 VS Casio Celviano AP 650 #2447981
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These two pianos are about the same price

Both features a tri-sensor graded hammer keys
Both have 256 note polyphony.

Casio has ivory keys

Which one has the best:
-FEELING
-sound

I'm going into advanced piano and I cannot afford a grand.

Thanks!

Please recommend me more pianos!

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Re: Yamaha CLP 525 VS Casio Celviano AP 650 [Re: Chi Hyun] #2447984
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If you can afford, I would strony reccomend going a bit up in the price and buying the CLP535. It's a different beast than the 525, which is just Arius in nicer cabinet. CLP 535 has new CFX and Boesendorfer samples, and new action, while 525 is all old technology.

Casio has better sound system though.

Re: Yamaha CLP 525 VS Casio Celviano AP 650 [Re: Chi Hyun] #2447997
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Perhaps worth pointing out they are very different beasts in some respects. I own the AP 450 but recall the 650, it is basically the same as the 450 as far as the piano is concerned bar more powerful speakers, but the 650 has lots of extra features like rhythm, auto accompaniment features, audio line in as well as out, recording multiple instrument tracks, and so on. The CLP 525 is a very basic piano in terms of features, it has none of those features and just tries to be a basic piano, no more, no less.

Whether you prefer the sound of one over the other is up to you to decide by trying out if you can.

Certainly the Celviano has a more complete piano sound engine on paper with string resonance, as well as damper resonance, some of which the 525 lacks, I know because I strongly considered the 525 when I first bought, but ruled it out in terms of bang for buck product at the time when they were more expensive anyway, and as far as piano was concerned, it didn't seem any better than the Casio I felt at the time, and my initial feel of action at the time. I preferred the hammer action of the Casio for feeling a bit more springy and gentle on bottoming out, but not so sure about that preference today a year on having little bit more experience and tried those higher end yamahas recently, but don't read too much into the action on my behalf. The more experienced will be able to say more on that, but I do know action/feel even amongst the experts when discussed here is a highly subjective topic.

In the end it is the ear that matters and whether you like the sound of one over the other. I had the privilege of playing a CLP 545 and CLP 585 just over a week ago a year and a bit on after I started and bought my Casio.

Very limited experience in my case to give much of a weighted opinion, but I certainly preferred the 545, especially the 585 to my Celviano sound with the Bosendorfer sample ( which the 525 doesn't have). To be honest I was left with the feeling it was a different league really for the 585 over a Celviano in terms of the sound system/speakers, even feeling the little vibrations in your finger tips through the keys smile , BUT they are quite a bit up from the 525 which I didn't try since over a year ago.

One question amongst your criteria you may need to consider and ask, do you want those extra features or is the piano part of it the most important only.

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Re: Yamaha CLP 525 VS Casio Celviano AP 650 [Re: Chi Hyun] #2448090
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I also agree that the 535 has a number of extras over the 525 so that I'd always try to find the money. Action, Boesendorfer samples etc.

Then again, when I compared the 535 to the Kawai CN-35, I found that I got more bang for the buck there. I did not test the Casio, so can't comment on it.


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Re: Yamaha CLP 525 VS Casio Celviano AP 650 [Re: Alexander Borro] #2448762
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Hello.

I don't care about the extra sound or extra songs, etc. I mostly care about the touch, feel, and action if the keys. I guess the Celviano has the advantage of producing bigger sound but, I care about the keys first.

Re: Yamaha CLP 525 VS Casio Celviano AP 650 [Re: kapelli] #2448768
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Sorry. I don't think I'll be able to pay more for the CLP 535. Thanks for the recommendation!

Re: Yamaha CLP 525 VS Casio Celviano AP 650 [Re: Chi Hyun] #2448776
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If the CLP 525 is at your budget limit, also have a look at the Kawai CN-25. It has the RH3 action, triple sensor, let-off, counter weights etc. Same as in the CN35, a very good action. And the price is a bit below the CLP 525.


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Re: Yamaha CLP 525 VS Casio Celviano AP 650 [Re: Chi Hyun] #2448875
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I can only comment on similar models i've tried. I tried an AP-450 last week, that i'm considering buying - and still am despite the criticism i'm about to give it below.

In my opinion all casio's sound horrible - Yamaha's have this way about them that makes them just sound better, they sound more natural. They also surpass Kawaii's. A Roland RD300SX that i also own sounds much better (though the key action on that sucks) than the AP-450 I tried, a yamaha P-45 and P-115 I've tried sound better than the AP-450. Yes i'm not kidding. I spent no more than 15 minutes trying the thing and only learnt afterwards that there are options to change reverb and other settings, but I still feel that the timbre on the AP-450 sounds too artificial. On my Roland RD300SX you really so feel as if you're sitting beside a live recording of a grand.

As for key action I can't comment as i'm a beginner - but I can comment on the key feel: the AP-450 was better than the entry level Casios. There was better rigidity and less plasticy feeling. Then again I think the entry level Yamahas have decent rigidity compared to the Casios.

I also personally found the sound hood on AP-450 a bit of a gimmick, what with the little hood that lifts up to give a brighter sound.

An aside: The headphone driver amp isn't that strong on the 450. I put in my Beyerdynamics DT-990s in there (though 600ohm input impedance which is quite high) but even at full volume it couldn't drive them properly - it should be fine for all earphones and all normal headphones. My 1987 Yamaha CVP-3 and the Roland RD300SX drive them wonderfully. Not a huge deal I have an amp but I tend to use headphones a lot. Again I feel they cut costs by introducing the soundboard gimmick instead of actually focusing on better driving circuits.

But again piano is my main priority here and thats why I still am considering the AP-450


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