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Re: Piano Exam Group [Re: 8 Octaves] #2642119
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For ABRSM exams, IMHO, your technical work (scales, arpeggios etc.) must be very good. They are generally the first thing the examiners hear. The exams are not just about pieces.

As you go up the levels, the expectations increase dramatically. The examiners are going to want a more polished sound, plus evidence that you have mastered sight reading to the appropriate level, and have the prerequisite technical and aural skills. I think it would be unusual to gain a merit or distinction without the guidance of a teacher who can give you feedback about your presentation of the pieces as well as the other skill sets.

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Re: Piano Exam Group [Re: 8 Octaves] #2642294
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Originally Posted by 8 Octaves

You could try to mark an ABRSM 5 Exam yourself. I just did it and mark it exactly as ABRSM would have. The point is not whether you think you played better than the person in the video, but whether you understand and agree with how ABRSM measures. http://us.abrsm.org/en/exam-support...s/grade-5-piano-2015/?examelement=Pieces


This is great 8 Octaves, thanks for sharing.
That poor boy's sight reading illustrates perhaps why I am not going the exam route :-)
I watched the Grade 8 piano also. It was very impressive and well worth a look.

Re: Piano Exam Group [Re: barbaram] #2642433
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Originally Posted by barbaram
I watched the Grade 8 piano also. It was very impressive and well worth a look.


The grade 8 sight-reading was most impressive. The person obviously had done a lot of theory in addition to whatever other skills he had to pull that off. He played wrong notes, but not wrong sounding notes if you know what I mean.

Re: Piano Exam Group [Re: barbaram] #2642551
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Kudos to the ABRSM for having such thing on their website. It gives the candidates very good idea of what the examiner is expecting and what elements they listen to for scoring. Candidates can then compare where they are at and decide if they are ready for exam. I wish I had something like this when I took my AMEB grade 8 piano and violin.

The aural tests seem very difficult compared to AMEB. AMEB, take out your pen and paper and take some serious notes. ABRSM syllabi are freely published on their website in PDF!



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Re: Piano Exam Group [Re: 8 Octaves] #2642570
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Originally Posted by 8 Octaves
Originally Posted by kahtwoloo
Anyways. What are some tips for getting that grade 6 merit?


Here are the specific metrics used by ABRSM for the differences between pass and merit:

Pass
•Generally correct notes
•Sufficiently reliable intonation to maintain tonality
•Suitable tempo
•Generally stable pulse
•Overall rhythmic accuracy
•Generally reliable
•Adequate tonal awareness
•Some realisation of musical shape and/or detail
•Generally secure, prompt recovery from slips
•Some musical involvement

Merit
•Largely accurate notes and intonation
•Sustained, effective tempo
•Good sense of rhythm
•Mainly controlled and consistent
•Good tonal awareness
•Clear musical shaping, well-realised detail
•Positive
•Carrying musical conviction
•Character and style communicated

As a benchmark, you know where you stand. The ABRSM and RCM are designed to be easy to pass but not as easy to do well and hard to achieve distinction. They also get more demanding as grades move up. The quality of playing you gave may have earned you a merit in grade 4 and even a distinction in grade 2-3. Which means if the quality of your playing does not improve you may not pass the higher grades or even the next one.

In another post you said you hate Baroque and Classical. I'd think right there that would doom you from doing well on several important metric in the merit column such as positive, musical conviction, and communicating character and style of the music.

Tip for next time, well, obvious one would be get a teacher who prepares students for ABRSM, even if it's for the 3-6 months before your next exam. If that's not possible, listen to lots and lots of good baroque and classical music. Let the music sink in. It needs to be part of you. If you can't feel it, you can't play it. If you still hate classical music despite trying your best then by all means play something else.

You could try to mark an ABRSM 5 Exam yourself. I just did it and mark it exactly as ABRSM would have. The point is not whether you think you played better than the person in the video, but whether you understand and agree with how ABRSM measures. http://us.abrsm.org/en/exam-support...s/grade-5-piano-2015/?examelement=Pieces

Very helpful info!



Re: Piano Exam Group [Re: WiseBuff] #2643878
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WHOOOHOOOOO! I finished both the level 6 theory exam and the level 6 performance exam. I feel exhilarated that I accomplished the study, perseverance, and courage to complete this accomplishment. On the other hand I am not delusional about my performance and know that with my shaky hands, I missed a LOT of notes. I didn't do the playback well at all AND I didn't count the final note in my final piece adequately. So there were MANY blunders but I didn't fall into total embarrassment so....a pass would be a pat on the back. Thank you all for your ongoing support. I come out of this with new appreciation for the C student who tries really hard but never makes it to an A. That must be me on piano. BUT I still love to play and appreciate all I have learned from my intense study of technique and theory. I just ordered level 7 technical requirements book. Once a driven competitor always going for the gold. At this point I'm really happy with finishing the race.

Now for a glass of wine...


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Re: Piano Exam Group [Re: WiseBuff] #2643883
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Fantastic work! Well done! You already got the pat in the back from all of us. All the best with your results. When will you find out? Go spoil yourself now and you can do much better than a glass of wine :-)



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Re: Piano Exam Group [Re: WiseBuff] #2643886
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Congratulations, Wisebuff! You well deserve that glass of wine!


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Re: Piano Exam Group [Re: WiseBuff] #2643894
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Big congratulations WiseBuff! What you doing to celebrate the awesome milestone?

Re: Piano Exam Group [Re: WiseBuff] #2643895
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Wisebuff, CONGRATS!!!!! Hope you are now happily celebrating with a big glass of wine (or two or three!) Onward to Level 7, but take a little time to bask in the accommplishment.


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Re: Piano Exam Group [Re: WiseBuff] #2643912
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congratulations WiseBuff. Still months away from my practical exam but have just upped my practice in a way I never really knew existed so almost know what you went through. So happy to hear someone from this like minded group of enthusiasts has done well. Onward and upward.


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Re: Piano Exam Group [Re: WiseBuff] #2643949
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Congratulations Wisebuff! Now kick back and relax a while. Then on to grade 7!

Re: Piano Exam Group [Re: WiseBuff] #2643969
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Thank you all!!! Your support and suggestions really help. I won't have a score for at least 4 weeks I think but they post them online so I'll check in a couple of weeks. Yes, I did have a couple of glasses of wine...anymore than 3 and I can't sleep. LOL! I realize that my biggest hurdle is to play play play for others so that I rid myself of exam anxiety (or at least minimize it). I don't feel that anxiety on the written exams...just the performance. Either that or beta blockers.

And as I walked out of the exam yesterday I thought "ahhhh that's the last of those exams for me" but then by the time I got home last night I ordered the next set up level 7 technical requirements. At the very least it makes me push my fingers to new movements and speeds. Maybe I enjoy the learning process more than the exams. Next time I'll record my pieces and have you all give me feedback as part of my process.

Play on!


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Congratulations WiseBuff!

Re: Piano Exam Group [Re: WiseBuff] #2643982
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I haven't really been following this thread because I'm not really into the exam scene, but when I noticed posts sending out congratulations to Wisebuff I had to drop in!

Well done Wisebuff - you seem to have handled it all very well - I look forward to hearing the final results!


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Originally Posted by WiseBuff


And as I walked out of the exam yesterday I thought "ahhhh that's the last of those exams for me" but then by the time I got home last night I ordered the next set up level 7 technical requirements. At the very least it makes me push my fingers to new movements and speeds. Maybe I enjoy the learning process more than the exams. Next time I'll record my pieces and have you all give me feedback as part of my process.

Play on!


I was exactly like you. As soon as I finished my last exam, I said, that's it. I'm done. Then the results came and that followed by the itch for the next exam! Here I am preparing for the next one :-)



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Re: Piano Exam Group [Re: WiseBuff] #2643995
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Tubbie0075, We just can't quit pushing ourselves to whatever is the next success can we? My piano teacher needs me to work on the quartet and duet (not to mention the solo) I'm supposed to play for the piano party on May 24. Oh my...that is next week. I've been so wrapped up in the exam prep.


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Re: Piano Exam Group [Re: WiseBuff] #2644021
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Originally Posted by WiseBuff
............And as I walked out of the exam yesterday I thought "ahhhh that's the last of those exams for me" but then by the time I got home last night I ordered the next set up level 7 technical requirements............
laugh laugh laugh
I don't do exams, but I do know the "No, I'm not going to do any more of this" immediately followed by "Well, okay, maybe one more" feeling.

Congratulations on completing your grade 6 exam, WiseBuff! Cheers!


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I had my last year training class today, exam is a week from Sunday. I'm glad I took these classes with the school. It was a fun experience going through it with other students. Makes it a little less isolating. I think I'm certainly more prepared for this part of the exam, compared to if I had done ear training on my own.


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I'm excited and nervous for you Dan!

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