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Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan] #2600509
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Ah - well I'll mail Reidys and ask - who knows, might get somewhere ^^


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I have the HP504 + decent monitors (JBL LSR305) and it definitely doesn't compare to the HP508 or LX15E. The sound projection and speaker placement is well thought and does its job on the superior models in the lineup.


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Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan] #2602113
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Boy was my face red lol.. You see in that video made by Reidys the Roland UK rep spoke of the particular tuning as if he brought it just that day - but as it turns out it's one of the included tunings in the Piano Designer app ^^


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Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan] #2602114
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And the owner of this thread should just rename it the Roland HP and LX owner's thread ^^


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Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan] #2602643
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Roland is going over the top with regard to the LX-17's price.

It was already the most expensive digital piano (without getting into the hybrid/avantgrand sort of class), but the price has been increased by another €200 in The Netherlands and Germany.

The default store price is now €5200.
Yamaha CLP-585 PE is €4250.
Kawai CS11 is €4000.

Even if you are of the opinion that the LX-17 is a step up in the sound department as compared to the CLP and the CS (as I am, though the difference between the LX and CLP is much bigger than that between the LX and CA), the price is too high. It shouldn't cost more than €4500 - €4600.

I'm fortunate that I got and paid for mine on the basis of the German price in September 2016, got a discount on top of that (which was at first offered for a different piano), and got a matching €200 high end bench for free. I also sold my Hammond organ clone, which took care of a big part of the price, or I wouldn't even have been able to afford the LX-17.

In the end I paid €4600 for the piano including the bench and delivery. A CLP-585 + bench would be €4450, and a CS11 + Bench would be €4200. Thus, I think the price I paid for the LX-17 + bench was right.

It was (too) expensive to begin with, but now it's getting into overpriced territory, IMHO.

If I'm really honest, the CS11, or even the CA-97 are more than good enough for me. In the meantime, I played them both, and I liked them. Both have one fatal shortcoming though, and that is that they are in one piece. I can't get them up the stairs (around a very tight bend) to my apartment. If these piano's had been in two pieces, I'd probably have gone with the CA-97 because of price.

Maybe I should have taken the CS8 into account at a price of a 'mere' €2800, but I couldn't test it. I did test the CA-67, and I didn't like the speakers; even though it has 6 speakers, the CA-67 sounded muffled, and I was afraid the CS8 would sound the same.

I know, I didn't test the LX-17 either, and went for it over the LX-7 which I didn't like, but there is a very big difference in the speaker systems of those two piano's.

Ah well. It's not ass if my piano suddenly became worse or something. I'm happy with it for the price I paid, but I think it's way too expensive now.

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Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan] #2604917
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For people in the Netherlands: Bax-Shop.nl has a sale on the LX-7 and LX-17. Their coupon "opisop" (Sold = Sold) gives a 15% discount. That brings the LX-17 down to €4419 (which is about €175 less than I paid two months ago).

I wonder if Roland is already going to introduce a new model after only a year and a few months or so. Then again, Bax is a huge store, and they have hundreds of products on sale under that coupon, right now.

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Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan] #2622327
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Is $2,900 USD (before tax and no delivery) a decent price to pay for the HP605 in the US? If not, what's a good price to offer the dealer?

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Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan] #2625586
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hi everybody
i have hp 603 . recently i noticed that the pedal is very light at first and and has no effect on sound and after moving the pedal a little bit downward i feel the resistance of the pedal and hear the effect . is this normal or pedal unit needs maintenance ? . thank you

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Hi aahmedd. Did you extend the foot-spigot under the pedal unit when you put the piano together? If not, that will probably be the cause of your issue.

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Yes, it's normal acoustic behaviour.
The first half of the press is usually very light, with very subtle effect, if any, and the second half is harder to press and the changes in sound are very obvious.
A good way to check this might be connecting the piano to a computer via midi, installing pianoteq trial and switching to the pedal response pane in the velocity control to see the progressive midi signals sent when pressing the pedal.
Even though the first half is very easy to press, it still sends midi signals, as it should.

Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan] #2625595
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Perfectly normal pedal behaviour on the roland and on acoustic pianos as well. Pedals that feel smooth all the way do not behave like the 'real' ones ^^


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FWIW the grands I've played aren't like that at all, they're pretty linear starting from the top of the action to somewhere in the middle where the dampers have all lifted 100% off the strings. But that's probably not common.

Yamaha, which makes real acoustic, touts this behavior as a trait of real grands in their CLP lineup:

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So it's likely that yours is intentionally designed to be that way...


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I think aahmedd noticed the same thing as I did: the HP/LX pedal has half an inch of play at the top before it catches and starts to work. It's not that the pedal is very light and then gets heavier; it feels as if it's completely loose in that first half an inch.

I've tested it on the LX-7 in the shop to confirm; it's exactly the same as on my LX-17. I've learned to live with it, but I still like Kawai's smooth, heavier 10H pedal as shipped with the MP7 better.


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All of the portable stage piano pedals I've tried just use a simple heavy spring to provide a linear-feeling resistance (and you may also be able to feel the ratcheting of a gear mechanism that actuates the pot in some). The console/furniture pianos is where you find more complex attempts to simulate acoustic pedal resistance.

But I'm with you Falsch, I actually prefer the linear stage pedal feel a lot of times, particularly as not all acoustics behave the way the console DPs work.


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Originally Posted by Falsch
the HP/LX pedal has half an inch of play at the top before it catches and starts to work........ I've learned to live with it, but I still like Kawai's smooth, heavier 10H pedal as shipped with the MP7 better.


Perhaps you'd also have to live with it if you were playing an acoustic piano.

I think the Roland pedal is copying the behaviour of a real piano pedal. Separate stage pedals, on the other hand, probably go for the more practical linear option.

It's a good question: should DPs improve on acoustic pianos where there's potential for this, or should they copy acoustic pianos in every detail?

Case in points being the above mentioned non-linear damper pedal, graded weighted action, double escapement notch and un-damped upper notes, amongst others.

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Originally Posted by toddy

It's a good question: should DPs improve on acoustic pianos where there's potential for this, or should they copy acoustic pianos in every detail?


Now there's a can of worms. Why do pianos even have weighted keys to begin with? We should all be rocking Roli Seaboards...


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Now there's a can of worms.


Then perhaps it's better left unopened.😀 But all the same, it might be possible to throw out the bath water and still keep hold of the baby.

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thank you very much .

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Both - give the customer the choice.

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Originally Posted by Falsch
For people in the Netherlands: Bax-Shop.nl has a sale on the LX-7 and LX-17. Their coupon "opisop" (Sold = Sold) gives a 15% discount. That brings the LX-17 down to €4419 (which is about €175 less than I paid two months ago).

I wonder if Roland is already going to introduce a new model after only a year and a few months or so. Then again, Bax is a huge store, and they have hundreds of products on sale under that coupon, right now.


You know, I was able to buy my LX-7 at $1700 off the MSRP of $5699. While I realize pianos are not sold at the MSRP, the estimated price (or street price) of $4999 (according to piano buyer dot com) for the LX-7 is still $1000 more than what I paid ($3999). So that makes me wonder, also, whether there is going to be a new model soon.


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I purchased my LX-7 about a month ago, after reading all >60 pages of this thread. I'm aware that the speaker system on the LX-17 is better, but since I'm playing through headphones most of the time, I didn't want the additional cost of the LX-17. I have chosen the LX-7 over the HP-605 for the appearance (height and music stand). I never even tought about the HP-603 because of the midi over Bluetooth feature missing on that one.

It's about this midi over bluetooth function that I wanted to share my experience, since I didn't get it to work at first with my Android phone. I did get it working however, after uninstalling all "piano designer" and "piano partner 2" apps, switching ON the GPS (which I don't use very often) and re-installing the app's, and when starting the app's giving them the permission to use the GPS location. This seems very strange to me, why on earth would a piano app need to know where I'm located. It doesn't make sense to me, but hey, in the end the app's connect to my LX-7 and it all works like a charm.

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Your Piano Partner 2 app wanted permission to access your location? That seems very strange to me. My Piano Partner 2 app works fine on my iPad and iPhone, and hasn't required access to my location to do so. Maybe it's an Android thing? At any rate, it's good that you got it figured out. Do you like the app? I've used it quite a bit. Does the Piano Designer app work with your Android phone? Does it also require your location?


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I do like both app's, and they both work fine on my Android phone. But the location needs to be switched on to find my LX-7 device... Strange indeed. I'm the kind of person that switches these features off by default, so it took me a while to figure it out. I should try it on my wife's Android based tablet to check if it's only on my phone, or a general Android behaviour.

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Originally Posted by Moriath
I do like both app's, and they both work fine on my Android phone. But the location needs to be switched on to find my LX-7 device... Strange indeed. I'm the kind of person that switches these features off by default, so it took me a while to figure it out. I should try it on my wife's Android based tablet to check if it's only on my phone, or a general Android behaviour.


I would be interested in what you find out, just out of curiosity!


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Originally Posted by Moriath
...I never even tought about the HP-603 because of the midi over Bluetooth feature missing on that one.
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Just to clarify, the HP603 does feature Bluetooth MIDI. It doesn't have Bluetooth audio.


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Originally Posted by Rosewood17

I would be interested in what you find out, just out of curiosity!

The app's require location info on my wife's samsung tablet as wel... Now I'm curious why they might need it :-)

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ah!... I updated my HP605 to 1.13 (I don't know why...) and the random shutdown is back.
Is it because it's summer not because of the upgrade?
(we didn't really get summer weather yet here in Toronto...)

I heard this problem requires an hardware replacement - a switch - but it was perfect over the winter...

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Headphones (yes again) for HP605.

I'm raising this question again after browsing the forum for ideas.
I have the sennheisers HD598 - these DO NOT WORK well with the HP605.
these are very muddy on the mid lower register.

I recently tryed AKG 240 old monitor headphones 600 ohm (the ones not in production anymore) and the clarity was amazing.
The sound volume through the AKG240 is noticeable lower than through the HD598 - specially mid and lower registers.

Before buying the HP605 I tried the HD598 in the store and I immediately knew they were not a match.
The HD598 headphones improved my practice experience by a lot with my previous piano - the old Yamaha CPL120.

I tried all the configurations I could think of in the piano designer, I tried all the presets that come with the app.

So I have a couple question that are specific to the HP605 (I'm guessing the 2016 series of HP and LX...):
What is the right impedance headphones for the HP605?
if you experienced the same problem what solution did you come up with?
Will just buy any good headphones other then sennheisers will be match the HP605?

I know that people tend to be very happy with whatever headphones they use...
I read of the "veil" characteristic of the sennheisers - to me this is a real thing.
Roland had the nerve to include some headphones with the piano sale that make my ears hurt - no joke, no hyperbole - really! I never used them.

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Originally Posted by m8118
ah!... I updated my HP605 to 1.13 (I don't know why...) and the random shutdown is back.
Is it because it's summer not because of the upgrade?
(we didn't really get summer weather yet here in Toronto...)

I heard this problem requires an hardware replacement - a switch - but it was perfect over the winter...


I haven't read through the entire thread so maybe I missed an earlier post by you, but I am curious about the "random shutdown." When I FIRST got my piano, it would (sometimes) randomly shut down right after I turned it on by opening the lid. (Well, it would shut down and then it would immediately restart.) It was EXTREMELY intermittent so I started making videos every time I turned on the piano so that I could show the dealer what was happening, but I couldn't seem to "catch it" (the dealer was incredulous about the problem so I wanted the video so I could demonstrate it to him). I thought maybe I wasn't opening the lid "hard enough" or something, but it kept happening even when I was careful about that. Then all of a sudden it just never did it again. I wonder if a switch in the lid (or having to do with the lid) got knocked slightly out of place when it was being delivered and then somehow got realigned when I opened the lid "hard" (this doesn't seem probable, though). This hasn't happened in a couple of months now, but I am wondering if your problem was/is similar to mine. (I haven't done the most recent upgrade.)


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Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: Rosewood17] #2657520
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Originally Posted by Rosewood17
..... When I FIRST got my piano, it would (sometimes) randomly shut down right after I turned it on by opening the lid. (Well, it would shut down and then it would immediately restart.) .....

That's how mine started: just after turn it on; but by late last summer it would restart or shutdown any time, it was so bad that it would put me off of practicing/playing.

Originally Posted by Rosewood17
.....but I couldn't seem to "catch it".....

The only way to prevent this shutdown/restart is to try to film it - everybody knows that wink

Originally Posted by Rosewood17
.....(the dealer was incredulous about the problem.....

This is a known problem, your dealer doesn't care about the products it caries - try a new dealer for the next piano you buy.

Originally Posted by Rosewood17
..... I thought maybe I wasn't opening the lid "hard enough" or something.....

It's not your fault, this is a known problem.

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